DAMMMITT LEVI!! This was a wild ride, thanks for taking me.

DAMMMITT LEVI!! This was a wild ride, thanks for taking me.

Fuck them robots.

Fuck them robots.

Some really cool harmonic stuff going on there! Love the dirty sound of the organ! Really gets you gurning- in a good way!

Some really cool harmonic stuff going on there! Love the dirty sound of the organ! Really gets you gurning- in a good way!

love the sound of Hammond! such a funky trip of a song!

love the sound of Hammond! <3 such a funky trip of a song!

Honestly, I don't know how you put up with him at this point.

Honestly, I don't know how you put up with him at this point.

love that slightly distorted Hammond clone sound, and how skillful you wield it to start with such a cacophony it surprises how well it holds and establishes a solid direction throughout the rest of the piece to swell and subside in so many riveting ways.

love that slightly distorted Hammond clone sound, and how skillful you wield it to start with such a cacophony it surprises how well it holds and establishes a solid direction throughout the rest of the piece to swell and subside in so many riveting ways.

ooooh yes the organ sounds awesome especially when it gets extra wavy.  Love the lil extra delay effects towards the end too.  Well done!

ooooh yes the organ sounds awesome especially when it gets extra wavy. Love the lil extra delay effects towards the end too. Well done!

yeah, buddy... bass is tough with phone speakers. that's actually something i've been working on a bit this past year. there's a plugin i use called Mix To Mobile. you basically put it on the master bus in your DAW and there is an app for your phone that links up with the plugin. it's a nice way to check the mixes on the phone speaker and make adjustments while you are listening in real time (rather than having to render a mix and load it or email it to yourself etc).

to get bass (or kick) to come through better over speakers that don't have much low end like on a phone, it can actually help to boost some upper mids. it doesn't have to be a wide Q, but i would experiment in the 1500 to 2k range and see if that helps give it a little more audible bite.
boosting anything down low like you were saying around 60hz isn't going to help on a phone speaker cuz they just don't have that low of a frequency range. it'll just end up making the mix too bass-heavy when listening on other speakers that have better low end.

saturation (distortion) can also help the bass to cut through a bit. there are some plugins that allow you to saturate specific frequency ranges rather than just distorting the entire track. this can be very helpful, to only saturate what you are wanting to boost. i like TUPE from Goodhertz a lot for that, but it's pretty $$ without a discount. i know i've heard of other plugins that do a similar thing.

another thing to keep in mind is how the kick and the bass are working together. Levi's kick here has a lot of low end, and with the low tone of your organ bass they are kinda fighting a bit for the same territory. so that would be something i would focus on if i were mixing.

all that said, this track is ripping and a fun listen. i always enjoy hearing you get a bit psychedelic on the keys 

yeah, buddy... bass is tough with phone speakers. that's actually something i've been working on a bit this past year. there's a plugin i use called Mix To Mobile. you basically put it on the master bus in your DAW and there is an app for your phone that links up with the plugin. it's a nice way to check the mixes on the phone speaker and make adjustments while you are listening in real time (rather than having to render a mix and load it or email it to yourself etc). to get bass (or kick) to come through better over speakers that don't have much low end like on a phone, it can actually help to boost some upper mids. it doesn't have to be a wide Q, but i would experiment in the 1500 to 2k range and see if that helps give it a little more audible bite. boosting anything down low like you were saying around 60hz isn't going to help on a phone speaker cuz they just don't have that low of a frequency range. it'll just end up making the mix too bass-heavy when listening on other speakers that have better low end. saturation (distortion) can also help the bass to cut through a bit. there are some plugins that allow you to saturate specific frequency ranges rather than just distorting the entire track. this can be very helpful, to only saturate what you are wanting to boost. i like TUPE from Goodhertz a lot for that, but it's pretty $$ without a discount. i know i've heard of other plugins that do a similar thing. another thing to keep in mind is how the kick and the bass are working together. Levi's kick here has a lot of low end, and with the low tone of your organ bass they are kinda fighting a bit for the same territory. so that would be something i would focus on if i were mixing. all that said, this track is ripping and a fun listen. i always enjoy hearing you get a bit psychedelic on the keys :)

Hey, thanks for the comment and tips. You're right about adding low frequencies will only muddy the mix rather than making them louder, esp when there is already enough from bass and kick. And when I put it thru compressor it makes everything else sound worse.

I think the stuff we are trying with the drummer for LIVE sound is a very different for recording, which I confused in this process. He/we need to FEEL the bass live and on a recording you have to hear it over a host of devices, and the max volume is v limited. there is no way to feel the bass at regular listening volumes... apart from having groove and such. And he plays LOUD live and unamplified, and if we tried playing a bit softer it just loses the tone and power so that's not an option.

I don't know how to marry the tone of the organ and the kick... usually can't change much about the organ tone except thru the effects. in production I can do stuff to the kick but live all we got is microphones and EQ,... right? and uhh in the practice room we have nothing but what we get ahhah.

Anyway it's a misguided exploration I did here but it was good to try things.

thanks! wanna do a lot more organ.

thanks! ahha the cacophony is a funny thing. I always am afraid not enough is happening so I gotta do something interesting, when a lot of the time just keeping a solid groove is enough to make it really cool to listen to for much longer than I expect DURING playing. proof is the section where I just stick to the bassline. well maybe not cause the piano goes ham quite soon after.

can't really delete him can I?

no really I can't, he's like some kind of malware. refuses to obey my commands.

thanks!! me too!

Thanks! anything to trigger the good stank face

if you're into that

hell yea, thanks for listening.

[quote=jwh] *great advice* [/quote] Hey, thanks for the comment and tips. You're right about adding low frequencies will only muddy the mix rather than making them louder, esp when there is already enough from bass and kick. And when I put it thru compressor it makes everything else sound worse. I think the stuff we are trying with the drummer for LIVE sound is a very different for recording, which I confused in this process. He/we need to FEEL the bass live and on a recording you have to hear it over a host of devices, and the max volume is v limited. there is no way to feel the bass at regular listening volumes... apart from having groove and such. And he plays LOUD live and unamplified, and if we tried playing a bit softer it just loses the tone and power so that's not an option. I don't know how to marry the tone of the organ and the kick... usually can't change much about the organ tone except thru the effects. in production I can do stuff to the kick but live all we got is microphones and EQ,... right? and uhh in the practice room we have nothing but what we get ahhah. Anyway it's a misguided exploration I did here but it was good to try things. [quote=Tone Matrix]ooooh yes the organ sounds awesome especially when it gets extra wavy. Love the lil extra delay effects towards the end too. Well done![/quote] thanks! wanna do a lot more organ. [quote=RajaTheResidentAlien]love that slightly distorted Hammond clone sound, and how skillful you wield it to start with such a cacophony it surprises how well it holds and establishes a solid direction throughout the rest of the piece to swell and subside in so many riveting ways.[/quote] thanks! ahha the cacophony is a funny thing. I always am afraid not enough is happening so I gotta do something interesting, when a lot of the time just keeping a solid groove is enough to make it really cool to listen to for much longer than I expect DURING playing. proof is the section where I just stick to the bassline. well maybe not cause the piano goes ham quite soon after. [quote=DESLRV]Honestly, I don't know how you put up with him at this point.[/quote] can't really delete him can I? no really I can't, he's like some kind of malware. refuses to obey my commands. [quote=MaisieMarra]love the sound of Hammond! <3 such a funky trip of a song! [/quote] thanks!! me too! [quote=Jackmsimpson]Some really cool harmonic stuff going on there! Love the dirty sound of the organ! Really gets you gurning- in a good way! [/quote] Thanks! anything to trigger the good stank face [quote=djippy]Fuck them robots.[/quote] if you're into that [quote=SQF]DAMMMITT LEVI!! This was a wild ride, thanks for taking me. [/quote] hell yea, thanks for listening.

I found out why Levi was causing delay. It’s because he HATES sidechaining to plugins from buses and that’s the only way I can use my pedal to control the Leslie effect. Ugh. Levi…

So it’s him or the Leslie effect…?!?! Or record with a crap audio and then edit the effect in post. Not good…

I found out why Levi was causing delay. It’s because he HATES sidechaining to plugins from buses and that’s the only way I can use my pedal to control the Leslie effect. Ugh. Levi… So it’s him or the Leslie effect…?!?! Or record with a crap audio and then edit the effect in post. Not good…

You don't need to replace him, but you can cuck him

You don't need to replace him, but you can cuck him

Oh yeah, grooving to this, I like a funky hammond romp any day. Great playing. Interesting to read about your production journey. I'm afraid I haven't listened to one of my tracks on a phone for a long time, not sure I want to! Oh Levi. I've heard of the Levi types in Logic.

Oh yeah, grooving to this, I like a funky hammond romp any day. Great playing. Interesting to read about your production journey. I'm afraid I haven't listened to one of my tracks on a phone for a long time, not sure I want to! Oh Levi. I've heard of the Levi types in Logic.

This sounds like it was a fun session even if Levi was in a FUNK.

This sounds like it was a fun session even if Levi was in a FUNK.