Chorus is so good "do do do do do what the bossman says" is a great hook. Bridge is fantastic. Loving your stuff, man! Keep it up.

Chorus is so good "do do do do do what the bossman says" is a great hook. Bridge is fantastic. Loving your stuff, man! Keep it up.

funny nice arrangement. tough dealing with the bossman.

funny :D nice arrangement. tough dealing with the bossman.

my minor unsolicited tip for the vocals is one I heard from multiple teachers in context of voice and instruments like the trumpet where u can do vibrato. the tip is not to do vibrato every time you can do vibrato, but keep notes straight as much as possible (it's not so easy actually). this way you find your own sound and it's more solid and confident sounding, and can have a stronger impact. once you do that the bends also sound more natural and intentional. felt a bit like the voice is doing a slide/bend every time it has the opportunity in this song. dunno what to call it but it happens also when you start singing a particular note. and it would maybe be nicer if it was more straight, as the composition sounds good enough to support that on its own. just my 2c feel free to delete this

my minor unsolicited tip for the vocals is one I heard from multiple teachers in context of voice and instruments like the trumpet where u can do vibrato. the tip is not to do vibrato every time you can do vibrato, but keep notes straight as much as possible (it's not so easy actually). this way you find your own sound and it's more solid and confident sounding, and can have a stronger impact. once you do that the bends also sound more natural and intentional. felt a bit like the voice is doing a slide/bend every time it has the opportunity in this song. dunno what to call it but it happens also when you start singing a particular note. and it would maybe be nicer if it was more straight, as the composition sounds good enough to support that on its own. just my 2c feel free to delete this

I love the ever so slightly flat vocals, really brings home the point. By the way, the saying is "those who can't do, teach", which means something else entirely.

I love the ever so slightly flat vocals, really brings home the point. By the way, the saying is "those who can't do, teach", which means something else entirely.

Thanks, really appreciate you stopping in week after week!

I do appreciate the advice. Could you give a more specific example though? I'm not quite following. Thanks!

Flat pitch or affect? I wouldn't say I was going for either, just a bit of a newbie. I know "those who can't do, teach" is more common but I have heard the "those who can't do, manage" variant around (chopped up for rhyme and rhythm of course). Thanks for the comment!

[quote=blighters_rock]Chorus is so good "do do do do do what the bossman says" is a great hook. Bridge is fantastic. Loving your stuff, man! Keep it up.[/quote] Thanks, really appreciate you stopping in week after week! [quote=horatiuromantic][tips...][/quote] I do appreciate the advice. Could you give a more specific example though? I'm not quite following. Thanks! [quote=Devieus]I love the ever so slightly flat vocals, really brings home the point. By the way, the saying is "those who can't do, teach", which means something else entirely.[/quote] Flat pitch or affect? I wouldn't say I was going for either, just a bit of a newbie. I know "those who can't do, teach" is more common but I have heard the "those who can't do, manage" variant around (chopped up for rhyme and rhythm of course). Thanks for the comment!

That really just sounds like something an incompetent manager would say to make themselves seem more capable than they really are, missing the point in the process. It's about someone gathering wisdom and learning a craft over years, but for some reason cannot seem to successfully apply the wisdom, so rather than having that time go to waste, impart the knowledge to others. Something managers aren't supposed to do. Theirs is a different skillset entirely that evaluates other people's abilities and put those people's wisdom to work in a way that best matches their profile (as such, managers ideally come from people who have done that work successfully so they know what task requires what skill).

Flat pitch, by the way.

[quote=siggy13][quote=Devieus]I love the ever so slightly flat vocals, really brings home the point. By the way, the saying is "those who can't do, teach", which means something else entirely.[/quote] Flat pitch or affect? I wouldn't say I was going for either, just a bit of a newbie. I know "those who can't do, teach" is more common but I have heard the "those who can't do, manage" variant around (chopped up for rhyme and rhythm of course). Thanks for the comment! [/quote] That really just sounds like something an incompetent manager would say to make themselves seem more capable than they really are, missing the point in the process. It's about someone gathering wisdom and learning a craft over years, but for some reason cannot seem to successfully apply the wisdom, so rather than having that time go to waste, impart the knowledge to others. Something managers aren't supposed to do. Theirs is a different skillset entirely that evaluates other people's abilities and put those people's wisdom to work in a way that best matches their profile (as such, managers ideally come from people who have done that work successfully so they know what task requires what skill). Flat pitch, by the way.

for example "says" from "bossman says" is the type of bend I'm referring to. counter example is like idk... classical music is pretty much always without bends and all the notes are straight. my choir teacher from way back would tell us to avoid such bends and taught us tricks like singing muted "mmm"'s before the actual note, so we would land directly on the target pitch instead of bending to it.

One place where I also read about this was Miles Davis autobiography, where his teacher was like "play more steady straight notes, don't try to be Louis Armstrong". so you could listen to some Miles and hear his straight long flat notes without vibrato, for inspiration hope that is helpful!

for example "says" from "bossman says" is the type of bend I'm referring to. counter example is like idk... classical music is pretty much always without bends and all the notes are straight. my choir teacher from way back would tell us to avoid such bends and taught us tricks like singing muted "mmm"'s before the actual note, so we would land directly on the target pitch instead of bending to it. One place where I also read about this was Miles Davis autobiography, where his teacher was like "play more steady straight notes, don't try to be Louis Armstrong". so you could listen to some Miles and hear his straight long flat notes without vibrato, for inspiration :) hope that is helpful!

Oh, that's not at all how I interpreted "those who can't do, teach" in the past. I read it as "they can't even do anything, they're just regurgitating the things they were taught." Which, obviously teaching is its own skill for good teachers, but there's a stereotype of bad teachers who couldn't cut it in industry. Likewise, management it a totally separate skill from the work that their subordinates do, and should almost be a totally separate track in the way that you can't go from army private to officer. But too often, and self-admitted by the target in question, workers simply become managers because it's the "next logical step in their career" and they "can't keep up with the kids anymore", not because they have a passion or aptitude for leadership.

...but of course that's only my own intent/interpretation. As soon as it hits the presses it's up for grabs.

Thanks for the note. I haven't used a reference pitch in a while, that's a good thing to work on.

[quote=Devieus]...[/quote] Oh, that's not at all how I interpreted "those who can't do, teach" in the past. I read it as "they can't even do anything, they're just regurgitating the things they were taught." Which, obviously teaching is its own skill for good teachers, but there's a stereotype of bad teachers who couldn't cut it in industry. Likewise, management it a totally separate skill from the work that their subordinates do, and should almost be a totally separate track in the way that you can't go from army private to officer. But too often, and self-admitted by the target in question, workers simply become managers because it's the "next logical step in their career" and they "can't keep up with the kids anymore", not because they have a passion or aptitude for leadership. ...but of course that's only my own intent/interpretation. As soon as it hits the presses it's up for grabs. Thanks for the note. I haven't used a reference pitch in a while, that's a good thing to work on.

Oh it's kinda like A B B/C# isn't it? Wow, I didn't even notice that, thanks for pointing it out! I'll try to pay more attention to that next time.

[quote=horatiuromantic]for example "says" from "bossman says" is the type of bend I'm referring to. counter example is like idk... classical music is pretty much always without bends and all the notes are straight. my choir teacher from way back would tell us to avoid such bends and taught us tricks like singing muted "mmm"'s before the actual note, so we would land directly on the target pitch instead of bending to it. One place where I also read about this was Miles Davis autobiography, where his teacher was like "play more steady straight notes, don't try to be Louis Armstrong". so you could listen to some Miles and hear his straight long flat notes without vibrato, for inspiration :) hope that is helpful![/quote] Oh it's kinda like A B B/C# isn't it? Wow, I didn't even notice that, thanks for pointing it out! I'll try to pay more attention to that next time.

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