Ya I agree about Live and its stock plugins. There are quite a few plugins that I really love that Live comes with that you can't find else where, like the vinyl distortion simulator is genius. And the Corpus Kick Tight setting is amazing on the low end. Also I like how in Ableton I noticed that the wet/dry controls on the compressors correctly work for parallel compression. The quality of all the DSP on average is great.

Even though the stuff I worked on this year, won't be released till later on in 2014, I still spent a lot of time learning about mixing, and working on my sample library and vocal editing skills. Youtube really seems to be turning into the modern classroom in a way.

The pro mixing series Pensado's Place is just so awesome in so many ways.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PensadosPlace/videos

I really dig the In The Studio series Future Music has up on their channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/FutureMusicMagazine/videos

Also, just for exploring new music I really dig The Needle Drop's reviews.
http://www.youtube.com/user/theneedledrop/videos

And for hearing how the original analog synth patches sound, like the original Emulator II patches, theres synthmania.
http://www.youtube.com/user/SynthManiaDotCom/videos

Also theres an interesting trick in the FLStudio manual on the Stereoiser plugin entry about how if you duplicate a mixer channel (parallel it), then invert the phase, and the L,R channels, you'll effectively zero out the center channel information but leave the stereo (side) information. So if you wanted to clear out the middle or widen up a sound that has some stereo information to begin with you can do that with this technique.

Another technique that I kind of have been using is doubling with a lead. This is primarily a vocal technique but could be used with anything. You basically get all your best takes edited together into one golden take then place your double take at about -6DB to the first (-6db is half volume). That way the timing and phasing problems of the double won't compete with your best take but you still get a fattening effect. Then you can take this one step further by adding like a tight vocal doubler effect plugin (19 to 25ms) and then mixing that at another -6db. This creates a full sound but still keeps it sounding like a natural lead vocal line.

Hi passing / lo cutting, leaving the bottom open for the kick and bass to live. Also backing off the vocal to let the synths and bass have more lo mid room. You can get around the kind of phasing problems by side chaining things, but whenever you run a buss through a compressor your going to color everything thats running through it. If you listen to Bruce Swediens mixes like Rufus & Chaka / Masterjam album there is a lot of HPF out the subsonics, but still all the power is still there, its still a huge sound.

Something else that just really struck me as amazing and a sign of the times, is that UAD is making a eq plugin based of Bruce Swediens own Harrison console, yes the same one used on Thriller.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NieKMdsOOj4

Its just amazing to me to think that its possible for artists to make their own personal kind of Thriller level masterpiece at home. Its just really inspiring to me.

I know DAW questions get asked a lot, but with this thread I wanted to ask you how your experience with the DAW that you use on a regular basis was. Things you like about it in comparison to the stuff you've tried that for some reason didn't work out for you.

The reason I asked is because I've been trying out the latest demos to Ableton and Reaper, kind of comparing them to FL Studio which is what I've been using forever. I think the DSP/VST engine in Ableton and Reaper is better (less cpu load, less glitches) than FL Studio, but with Ableton I'm not too thrilled with the MIDI editor. With Reaper I love everything about it so far except how it handles recording audio into clips that have dedicated mixer channels in the arrangement window. With FL Studio the arrangement is abstracted so that you can move anything around anywhere and mute / unmute things without effecting the mixer. Its also frustrating with Reaper trying to record in different instrument parts through the same input, say you have one good external preamp, you have to add a new mixer channel and setup the recording inputs and everything every time you record a new external instrument. With FL Studio the mixer settings and the actual recorded takes are separate so you don't have to mess with the mixer input settings, you just record the input then give it the new instrument recording its new name and your ready to record another instrument through the same input.

Its kind of a shame because I'm really impressed by Reaper, I'm impressed with all the details that have been put into it.

Another thing I have problems with in FL Studio is its latency and recording. Firstly its MIDI latency is tied to the audio driver latency, at least in 10, I'm pretty sure 11 is the same. So I usually use ASIO at 7ms, thats the norm for my work. But still I find that I have to nudge audio recordings over a little to get it relined with the grid. This latency also causes problems when trying to use internal samples or recorded tracks, then having external drum machines play along. I end up having to push forward the MIDI sequence for the external drum machine to get it to line up to the recorded audio when monitoring.

I've been trying to work with Reaper to get a feel for how it handles recording and latency and it seems pretty good so far, but I know the buffers and everything in Reaper are adjustable so I'll have to learn more about the options related to get the best MIDI out / recording in performance.

Another thing thats kind of annoying with FLS is that when you load a project it doesn't draw all the waveforms, you have to manually scroll through the project, look at all the waveforms, FLS stumbles a little and then after thats all buffered, then the track will playback without stuttering.

One last thing I really appreciate about Reaper is its like way less straining on the eyes. I was disappointed when FLS started limiting the colors you could select, and some of FLS plugins like the directwave, while a really awesome sampler, is almost impossible to use because of the GUI and small as possible pixel fonts used. I kind of feel the same way about FLS grid and numbering, I prefer a sequencer to look like a traditional PC application rather than a demoscene flyer.

I have a lot of half finished tracks / ideas, so its a good opportunity to work on my arrangement skill, going back and finishing up the ideas. Maby also try out some of the kind of experimental instrument / style combos I tend to dream up.

I'm not one of those guys that can whip out a track in a day, especially since I write vocals and lyrics now which takes a lot of work to get right. But I appreciate the site, it was really cool of Trash to keep the site going.

This is a topic I'm always curious about, thanks for starting Phil.

A lot of points mentioned got me thinking about how I approach production and mixing, and how even over the past year a few techniques have changed for me.

Since this is a pretty deep subject, I'll try not to write a book here but just kind of reflect back at the previous posts.


I use a similar approach as Phil Harmonic, sequencing with FL10 then using external synths, analog as much as possible.
I noticed that even though I know how to use side-chaining, and even have an external hardware compressor I can side chain with, I never use it. Instead I'll use volume clip envelopes for any thing I want to cut, but then I always have some pretty strong compression on the FLS master buss, and get pumping that way.

I've listened to a lot of other mixers talk about keeping off masterbuss compression and using it mostly on your group channels, but I'll admit I have a fetish for the LA2A (or optical style compressor), and then follow it up with a kind of limiting type of compression on the main buss.

I use to use LA2A (waves) into two different soundgoodizers, both soundgoodizers on different settings (B,A or C,A), and backed off to just a small amount of limiting on each soundgoodizer. For those not familiar with Fruity Soundgoodizer its basically FL Studios version of a kind of (Waves) "One Knob" modern multiband compressor, (Maximus). So the result would be like having a LA2A feeding into a L3 multiband kind of thing. Though to be honest I like the soundgoodizer / maximus sound just a sliver more than the L2 / L3 sound.

The thing is lately, I've really been trying to get more of that 70s' early 80's sound so I've been using LA2A into Kramer Master Tape, and it really gets you 95% of the way there.

I guess I'm just addicted to getting the pumping of the LA2A, for me its like the total sound of the 70s, then using a limiter or modern multiband compressor after it to bring back the over all level and get a modern frequency response.

On the compression issue, another thing that I've never really been happy with is parallel compression with FL Studio, theres always a latency issue, and even after correcting (theres manual compensation on channels in FLS), it just doesn't seem to phase right or something.
I think if I had a real analog mixing desk and the actual gear I'd probably use more parallel compression, or parallel techniques in general, but for now I just prefer using a single compressor and an eq directly on a channel if I need to beef something up.

But ya, instead of using L2 on your masterbuss check out the Kramer Master Tape, or any of the new tape emulation plugs that have been coming out the past year or three, they're pretty amazing at giving more body but without that blocky L2 Ultra setting sound.

I don't use Pro-Tools, but I've heard that Heat is supposed to do something similar.

I do all my work at 24Bit 44.1k /32B within FLS or rendering stems. If I ever get signed then maybe I'll think about 96k smile, but till then I'd rather conserve drive space.


There are a couple plugs I really like, that really do work magic that you might want to check out,

1st the waves API550B and 560?graphic eq on snare, the API eq is so damn musical, just check out the snare presets its pretty amazing.
2nd, the FL Convolver (or any convolution reverb) with spring reverb impulses. I'm really choosy with reverb, but the Fokke van Saane impulses are awesome. I found some king tubby impulses at Dubbhism a week or two ago that are really impressive!
I like turning off any normalization on the convolver and turn off any eq, to try and get the pure impulse without any pre-shaping.
3rd CLA vocals, the only thing the plugin is missing is a de-esser, but aside from that its really amazing.
4th FL Flangus, not as a flanger, but use it like a very short slap delay, its in one of the preset menu settings (deep chorus), its like an instant stereo / 80s delayish sound, really great on vocs.


For monitoring, I've actually been getting use to the EX-29 extreme isolation headphones, the frequency response is pretty poor, but they're loud. And the barrier / noise reduction between the phones and the outside world is awesome.
No mic bleed, and any outside traffic, trains, or dog noise is pretty much blocked. The lack of deep lows in the headphones kind of makes you give it a little more boost and attention in the mix. But I only really use the phones for recording and editing, any kind of level balance or compression and eq I use my JBL Pro monitor.
Usually if I get it sounding balanced on the mains, and it sounds ok in the phones, I'll render it out to mp3 and give a listen on the way to the store in the car. If there is any problem with the mid range it will usually be really obvious in the car.
Its kind of like my makeshift ns10.

Smartelectronix Freakoscope is good, http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/freakoscope/

Its free on Smartelectronix but I first learned about it from "Welsh's Synthesizer Cookbook", since its included on the example cd.

I discovered the Canadian duo Lime a few years back and they've been a big influence to me.

I love the track "I Don't Wanna Loose You" from Lime's 1984 album Sensual Sensation.
The audio quality is pretty poor on YT but you can get the idea.

Dwight Davis wrote:
midimachine wrote:

You can still record and plot automation as events (i.e. how automation was handled before FL 5) wink

I started using it on FL 7 or 8. I don't quite know how to do that D:

Wait you've been using demos since version 7? You should have purchased producer edition back then and received all the updates.

I've been using since FL Studio 4 and its by far been the best value for a license ever.

The only possibly better option would be a freeware app like reaper or buzz or something like that.

The short naps approach doesn't work because its incompatible with the natural http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm

Your productivity will suffer, also you won't be able to fall asleep against the rhythm in say under an hour.

Another issue possibly overlooked by this technique (or related study) is your memory resets once you fall asleep. If your working on problems with many routines or important facets, or even want to stay in the same "vibe" or frame of reference you loose it and have to spend time to get back into it after sleep.

That said sometimes giving a project time to rest, I like to call it simmering time, can bring you to a better answer.

Anyway my ethos is to try and keep at what ever project of the day your working on be it programming or editing/mixing on a given day, but try not to burn yourself out. If you find you start having 25-26hour days then its time to kind of pull back or let go to try and keep in sync with your body clock.

Best way I've found to get past writers block (for lyrics), is to pick a vocalist you like and imagine them singing the song, in their style. Like imagine Simon Le Bon singing it or The Bee Gees or Sister Sledge. The differences in vocal styles will nudge you towards certain notes, phrasing and lyrics.

A way to break out musically is to hunt down a chart listing, it could be from the 70s 80s or any style your into. Find the one or two tracks that you actually dig and look into the group with discogs and wikipedia and find out who produced them, who mixed them, what gear they used, check out any videos on youtube. One group I discovered this way that's been a big influence on me is Lime.

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Poppi wrote:
little-scale wrote:

Would love to hear you make some more of your acoustic folk stuff, Poppi.

Thanks Seb but it's unlikely to happen, I sold my guitar when I realised my Fibro. was here to stay neutral

I supposed I could take up the koto...hmm...maybe we could collaborate on something for cello and voice??

If you like koto and 80s, check out the group Hiroshima

Trash don't get the Beyerdynamic's, they're low and high freq heavy, the dynamics aren't right. The Sennheisers are closer what you want (which would ideally be some high end *NS-10s* smile:):) barf not, )But really the AKGs will fall apart on you in two years.

I gave up on headphones a long time ago, and use --insert flat active speaker-- for checking compression and eq, then use a cheapo yet indestructible pair of Philips SHP2500s, so cheap in fact you can get a second pair for the vocalist your recording, and they have a built in volume control on the cable, for general phoning.

There's one cool pair of headphones specifically for vocal recording though I started using, the EX-29 extreme isolation phones because they almost eliminate bleed through. The high frequency response is piss poor though. I think theres better headphones out there with similar isolation specs though.

The releases are great, and there's a shiton of them, is there any way to color code the top of the list from the bottom. The drunkards here are complaining that I keep loosing my playback place. This would really help the drunkard fanboys out there! thanks! smile

Pretty plz,

If your a chip musician turn off the gameboy, look at glitch or ambient or nu-disco, or something fresh. I'd be sad if this site turns into a bunch of chipscene fallout. Unless your gameboy has become part of your sonic circulatory system and your life force is oozing out to create a new cybernetic symphony of dystopian maximal that baffles even the mind of William Gibson then I guess thats OK.

Instrumental music is fine, but a good vocal is better. If your not a vocalist, plz write lyrics, or a phrase of spoken word to sample, or at least use a vocoder. Or even better yet collab with a vocalist.

For the love of god back off on brickwall compression. Yes like everyone else I like a good pumping beat, but use multiband compression, and leave some transients in tact. -20db of L2 is straight wrong.

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Looks great trash, your talent always shines through.