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Vicious Circle

By Paisleyfrog on August 2, 2024 3:08 am

Now back to our regularly scheduled heavy music!

My wife really wanted to sing on Paint it Red, but I had a particular idea for that one. How she was approaching melody got us thinking about gothic metal. We thought about reworking some old material for about five seconds but very quickly got excited about writing a new one. (It's something of another Muerdo Fuerte, except in this case I took a big bite out of Evanescence.)

I normally do all the music and then lay words and melody over the top, but that seemed to be a bad idea for a genre that is SO melodic - we wanted the words and music to drive the structure. Turns out we had some lyrics in our archive that fit perfectly (yes, we have a lyrics archive). Words are all hers, I scratched most of the melody. She had a migraine last week, so music was last week and vocals got done this week.

I've always thought of gothic metal guitar like polished mahogany - really heavy yet so smooth. I've struggled with this style of guitar in the past, but the past few weeks have really helped me dial in the sound.  I used some very aggressive parametric EQ curves this week. (Fun fact: I was watching the sound board at the Gary Numan concert, and the curve I ended up using is pretty similar to ones I saw on his board. It always comes back to Gary...)

This is the most fun I've had playing a guitar part - I had the noise gate dialed in enough that I was able to just record everything straight through, and not rely on looping my one good bit. Playing in the pocket with bass and drums on that aggressive palm mute section is amazingly fun.

After having essentially two weeks to work on this song - I am very happy that we usually have just one week. Given enough time, I have a tendency to over-work and perhaps obsess a bit. I spent the end of this week undoing some of the stuff I did.

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You got those Evanescence tones dialed in, the piano notes just nailed it.  If this song was even half as fun to listen to as it was to make you both must have had a ball.  Love that you turned to Mr Numan for the EQ...is there anything that man can't do?

I'd say you nailed the sound. Great stuff!

Can I get a yes f*cking yes?! This is just awesome. I think the most fun part for me (as an evanescence fan back in the day) was anticipating those builds and riffs and hearing exactly what I wanted to hear - the words "yup, exactly, effing perfect" kept running through my mind over and over. This was a studied, informed and passionate arrangement. You got all the nuances and  surprises and shifts and turns and twists perfect.

The vocals and lyrics were great too lol and I loved the guitar but I am such a nerd for genre mastery like this lol. Great track!

lament.config wrote:

You got those Evanescence tones dialed in, the piano notes just nailed it.  If this song was even half as fun to listen to as it was to make you both must have had a ball.  Love that you turned to Mr Numan for the EQ...is there anything that man can't do?

Oh, we had a great time - it's been a minute since we've done a rock song together. She's not an instrumentalist anymore, but she has a great ear for how something should sound - i.e. "get rid of that repeat, it kills the energy!" (her batting average is way over .500 for good ideas). We have a great creative dynamic heart

Beefpounder wrote:

I'd say you nailed the sound. Great stuff!

Thank you! I like taking things apart and figuring out how they work big_smile

neon liminal wrote:

Can I get a yes f*cking yes?! This is just awesome. I think the most fun part for me (as an evanescence fan back in the day) was anticipating those builds and riffs and hearing exactly what I wanted to hear - the words "yup, exactly, effing perfect" kept running through my mind over and over. This was a studied, informed and passionate arrangement. You got all the nuances and  surprises and shifts and turns and twists perfect.

The vocals and lyrics were great too lol and I loved the guitar but I am such a nerd for genre mastery like this lol. Great track!

Thank you!! I LOVE listening to music and figuring out defining characteristics. It makes me think of Weird Al and his genre parodies, songs written "in the style of". What's the musical shorthand that will get you 80% of the way towards a sound with only 20% of the effort? LOL

I KNEW this was you right away! You both nailed this one handily - it sounds so smooth and heavy. I like that the vocals are front & centre, and that rich tapestry of guitar & orchestra behind everything makes the whole thing soar. Standing O, friend!

go team! y'all killed it

MRDRCAT wrote:

I KNEW this was you right away! You both nailed this one handily - it sounds so smooth and heavy. I like that the vocals are front & centre, and that rich tapestry of guitar & orchestra behind everything makes the whole thing soar. Standing O, friend!

Thank you! Vocals were one of the things I rolled back - we had recorded like three more lines, but ultimately decided that it made it feel muddy. Only kept the single harmony line at the end. She was all, "I like the raw feel of the single line". She was right. smile

jwh wrote:

go team! y'all killed it

Thank you! I like writing songs by myself, but I will fully admit that I'm better when we work together heart

As a teenager/young adult who was SUPER into goth rock (Nightwish and Within Temptation were my JAAAAAMS), I super appreciate this! Y'all hit the mark perfectly here. Really loving the combo of the melancholic vocals with heavy distorted guitar. Can I has more of this? Please? Hahahaha... Great job!!!

whoa! amazing, great sound!!! heart

jegasus wrote:

As a teenager/young adult who was SUPER into goth rock (Nightwish and Within Temptation were my JAAAAAMS), I super appreciate this! Y'all hit the mark perfectly here. Really loving the combo of the melancholic vocals with heavy distorted guitar. Can I has more of this? Please? Hahahaha... Great job!!!

Thank you! Nightwish and Within Temptation? YESSSSSS....two musical touchstones for me as well smile I got to see WT in 2007, one of the best concerts ever. As far as more....we're planning on it. My wife has lyrics she really wants to make into a goth rock ballad smile

zone limits wrote:

whoa! amazing, great sound!!! heart

Thank you so much!

Yep. Nailed the Evanescence vibes. Felt it in the first couple seconds. Dead on.
Amazing job. Love this.

Hail yais! \m/ feelin the melodic metal vibes throughout.  An excellent combo with the drums, strings and guitars supporting the soaring vocals.  Well done!!

Dang, this is a sweet listen. I think you nailed the description with your own words of "heavy and smooth" for the gothic metal guitar, but really for the whole track. Heavy rock structure smoothed over with your wife's soothing vocals and the string orchestration on some of the transitions. Nicely done!!! 

BarristerPlong wrote:

Yep. Nailed the Evanescence vibes. Felt it in the first couple seconds. Dead on.
Amazing job. Love this.

Thank you! I was hoping for "vibe" rather than full on aping smile

Tone Matrix wrote:

Hail yais! \m/ feelin the melodic metal vibes throughout.  An excellent combo with the drums, strings and guitars supporting the soaring vocals.  Well done!!

We played with the vocals a lot, but really felt it went best with a raw vocal smile Thank you!

Bunjigram wrote:

Dang, this is a sweet listen. I think you nailed the description with your own words of "heavy and smooth" for the gothic metal guitar, but really for the whole track. Heavy rock structure smoothed over with your wife's soothing vocals and the string orchestration on some of the transitions. Nicely done!!!

I hadn't thought about it that way before, but you're right! "Smooth" is a defining characteristic for gothic metal as a whole. Strings and vocals serve to buff off the rough edges off the guitars smile

Yup, Evanescence for sure. You have the production skill with this heavy instrumentation that I just have no clue how to make. Especially since I'm not a very good guitar player. haha. Another awesome song!

emily wrote:

heart heart heart

SteveSkiano wrote:

Yup, Evanescence for sure. You have the production skill with this heavy instrumentation that I just have no clue how to make. Especially since I'm not a very good guitar player. haha. Another awesome song!

Thank you! It's taken a while - I first tried approaching this genre a little over ten years ago. I went back and listened to that mix, and ye gods it's a mushy mess...something clicked this year smile I don't consider myself a good guitar player, but the community at WB has helped my confidence a lot. You're better than you think, too.

Come to think of it, does ANY guitar player think they themselves are good? I mean, Yngwie does, but I'm not sure about anyone else LOL

I'm not super familiar with this style of music but can definitely hear the Evanescence (or at least that one song lol). I can definitely hear the smoothness you described, it's heavy without being harsh which I really enjoy. Nice!

Stellar performance from you both. Maybe the vocals can get a few more layers at some point, but it's good as it is.
- Devieus

Cursory wrote:

I'm not super familiar with this style of music but can definitely hear the Evanescence (or at least that one song lol). I can definitely hear the smoothness you described, it's heavy without being harsh which I really enjoy. Nice!

Thank you! I am absolutely saving these EQ settings for future use smile

Devieus wrote:

Stellar performance from you both. Maybe the vocals can get a few more layers at some point, but it's good as it is.
- Devieus

Thanks! 100% agree on the additional vocal layers. We tried, but didn’t get anything we were satisfied with during the week.  Something to try and get working in the future. smile

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