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Fire Inside

By Paisleyfrog on September 22, 2024 9:35 pm

It was Wednesday and I didn’t have anything yet - so my wife says, “if you don’t have anything right now, we should do one of our songs.” Sold American! We’re thinking we’ll have our second album done by the end of the year.

This one has never had a proper recording - only ever lived as a vocal with guitar, so I took the opportunity this week to give it a full band sound.

I scratched this back in 2018 or so - it's built around a hammer on to A2, capo'ed to third fret. I passed the recording to my wife. She wrote all the lyrics and shuffled the structure a bit. (An aside - this song always makes me think of helicopters. When I was first recording the scratch, I was sitting in my backyard, and one flew over right as I was recording. It was a good take, I kept it. She recorded the first scratch vocal right over the helicopter.)

This marks the first time I've gotten my upright bass into a track - I tried a technique that Sting mentioned in an interview, where he he would double his electric bassline on an upright. I like it, adds a little wood and bloom to the sound. Other instrumentation is a standard 6-string acoustic, baritone ukulele, pop brush session drummer (with no kick), fretless electric bass and a little mellotron flute. Oh, and some hand percussion loops. Not a ton of time for music this week so I took the easy and quick route 😁

I continue to be amazed at the smart tempo functions in Logic. Being able to record free tempo and then have Logic fit the grid to that tempo for editing is magical.

Great idea to dig this one up. She's got a great voice. The layers of instruments are fantastic. Mellotron adds a nice touch! Great work, both of you!

I'm not sure if it was your intention but the sound of this track, to me at least, invokes that 70's 'rock come folk' sound.  Great track and great work both of you.  Must be cool to breath life into something you were working on 6 years ago.  Very cool song.

Love the folky sound here, feels super cozy and cohesive. I really like the choice to skip the kick on the drum kit and let the bass fell that low end rhythmic role. Very cool to double the bass part, the tone you arrived at serves the song well. I also apparently need to learn how smart tempo works, I had written this off as not really being usable  >.<

Your range of styles is always pretty impressive. I could see this song with the Rock Choral type vocal harmonies, like Queen or Yes. The upright bass double is pretty neat too!

SQF wrote:

Great idea to dig this one up. She's got a great voice. The layers of instruments are fantastic. Mellotron adds a nice touch! Great work, both of you!

Thank you! She was really happy with how she sounded on this, and I really liked how the guitar and bari uke blended together smile

lament.config wrote:

I'm not sure if it was your intention but the sound of this track, to me at least, invokes that 70's 'rock come folk' sound.  Great track and great work both of you.  Must be cool to breathe life into something you were working on 6 years ago.  Very cool song.

Oh, thank you. Folky 70s rock is something that is very deeply baked into both of us - wasn't necessarily intentional, but it definitely comes out. It's always fun approaching a track many years later - because we're different people by that point. When we did our first album, we revised a couple songs I had written 15 years earlier. That was wild smile

Cursory wrote:

Love the folky sound here, feels super cozy and cohesive. I really like the choice to skip the kick on the drum kit and let the bass fell that low end rhythmic role. Very cool to double the bass part, the tone you arrived at serves the song well. I also apparently need to learn how smart tempo works, I had written this off as not really being usable  >.<

Thank you so much! Letting the bass take the place of the kick was almost accidental - I just didn't like the stock kick sound and just turned it off....and never replaced it big_smile It was cool to realize that it didn't need it at all.

Smart tempo is magical when it works, and maddening when it doesn't. It really likes a strong downbeat. For strummy stuff like this, it helps to give a couple downbeat markers in the smart tempo window. If it's REALLY having a hard time, I will sometimes record a simple bassline along with my initial scratch and then analyze tempo in [i]that[/I]. If it's STILL struggling, I'll record a simple four beat to the bar MIDI track that follows my tempo and analyze THAT. And once I get the downbeat to line up to the grid and the tempo to follow the click, I don't try and move anything...it always seems to break smile

SteveSkiano wrote:

Your range of styles is always pretty impressive. I could see this song with the Rock Choral type vocal harmonies, like Queen or Yes. The upright bass double is pretty neat too!

Thank you! 100% agree on the harmonies. I love Queen and Yes vocals - two bands that are near and dear to my heart. I was actually thinking about the kind of background stuff you do for inspiration - alas, I couldn't talk my wife into it right now, she wanted to keep it simple. Oh well, maybe for the album smile

Paisleyfrog wrote:

Not a ton of time for music this week so I took the easy and quick route


It's wild to me that this is the product of "the easy and quick route"!!!! Hahahahaha...
The line "I want a fire inside to burn me clean" sounds both metal AF and also like a terrifying thing to hear someone say out loud, hahahaha... I can imagine it being said by a character in a TTRPG, like a religious cultist in Dungeons and Dragons adventure or something.
The intensity of the lyrics contrast really nicely with the more mellow tone of the song, super nicely done. And the key change at the end is also a very nice touch!

almost stood up and applauded, really nice music-making here! well done to both of you. the vocal really shines here, and i'm very into the instrumentation. big fan of baritone uke and have always loved Mellotron flutes  heart

jegasus wrote:
Paisleyfrog wrote:

Not a ton of time for music this week so I took the easy and quick route


It's wild to me that this is the product of "the easy and quick route"!!!! Hahahahaha...
The line "I want a fire inside to burn me clean" sounds both metal AF and also like a terrifying thing to hear someone say out loud, hahahaha... I can imagine it being said by a character in a TTRPG, like a religious cultist in Dungeons and Dragons adventure or something.
The intensity of the lyrics contrast really nicely with the more mellow tone of the song, super nicely done. And the key change at the end is also a very nice touch!

Thank you! To be fair (to be faaaaaaair), the "easy comment was directed at the hand percussion...not having to record and track a shaker and tambourine smile

Purification was very much a theme for us at this point...metal AF, but we were both very much about being true to ourselves smile

jwh wrote:

almost stood up and applauded, really nice music-making here! well done to both of you. the vocal really shines here, and i'm very into the instrumentation. big fan of baritone uke and have always loved Mellotron flutes  heart

Such a huge compliment, considering what you've posted in folk rock. My main goal was making sure her vocal had prominence smile

Weekly keeps killing my comments! Bah!

Anyway this is a great track - I love the instrumentation, the vocals and lyrics are beautiful, and again I hear that lovely folk-influence and bardic tradition that I associate with Loreena Mckennitt who is heart. What I am desperate for is that the little instrumental riff at 1:55 were to be extended to a full 8-measure interlude. We get a very dramatic shift in key with the vocals soon after - I think an instrumental break and build would create a lot of tension and anticipation and make the drama of that shift in key hit a lot bigger. It's still got a lot of drama right now but I kinda want it 'foreshadowed' - tease us, build some anticipation, ramp us up for the big dramatic end verse.

neon liminal wrote:

Weekly keeps killing my comments! Bah!

Anyway this is a great track - I love the instrumentation, the vocals and lyrics are beautiful, and again I hear that lovely folk-influence and bardic tradition that I associate with Loreena Mckennitt who is heart. What I am desperate for is that the little instrumental riff at 1:55 were to be extended to a full 8-measure interlude. We get a very dramatic shift in key with the vocals soon after - I think an instrumental break and build would create a lot of tension and anticipation and make the drama of that shift in key hit a lot bigger. It's still got a lot of drama right now but I kinda want it 'foreshadowed' - tease us, build some anticipation, ramp us up for the big dramatic end verse.

Thank you! heart 

It's funny about the little break that's in there, it was an accident - whenever we've played this live, we go right from the break to the last verses. But for whatever reason, when we scratched it, my wife paused before hitting the last chorus. I had the space, so I put that little riff in there. Thanks for that suggestion, I'm going to play with that some more for the album version smile

From those first strums on the intro right to the last strum at the end, this song just fits together so nicely.  Great choice of instruments to complement your wife’s beautiful, soft vocals, especially the upright bass and yuke.  Glad you did not use a kick or heavy percussion on this.  It wasn’t needed.  This will make a great addition to your next album.  Well done.   

Beautiful folk guitar and heavenly vocals. This is just great. The stand up bass sounds GREAT! So rich.

This sounds absolutely lovely, as though you guys had a really tight band along with you. It's loose but packed with emotion. Everything is balanced and light, your wife's vocals are PERFECT and those lyrics...just very wow. It boggles my mind how you can produce a fully fleshed out, professional track every single week. I am in awe.

Bunjigram wrote:

From those first strums on the intro right to the last strum at the end, this song just fits together so nicely.  Great choice of instruments to complement your wife’s beautiful, soft vocals, especially the upright bass and yuke.  Glad you did not use a kick or heavy percussion on this.  It wasn’t needed.  This will make a great addition to your next album.  Well done.

Thank you heart I love recording to her voice. I can have a tendency to do Too Much to a song, so keeping it simple is good for me. Having only a week helps too big_smile

BarristerPlong wrote:

Beautiful folk guitar and heavenly vocals. This is just great. The stand up bass sounds GREAT! So rich.

Thank you! I have struggled for YEARS to get a good upright sound - always sounded too boomy or lacking something. Funny that the solution was to add another bass to it smile

MRDRCAT wrote:

This sounds absolutely lovely, as though you guys had a really tight band along with you. It's loose but packed with emotion. Everything is balanced and light, your wife's vocals are PERFECT and those lyrics...just very wow. It boggles my mind how you can produce a fully fleshed out, professional track every single week. I am in awe.

Thank you so much heart We're having a LOT of fun getting these songs recorded, and my wife has said many times that me having to put down a song after a week is very good for my creative process. Makes me stop rearranging the throw pillows on the couch.

I love using the clickless recording for songs like this - allows the tempo to breathe, but keeps everything tight. Recording acoustic music like this to a click just sounds so sterile to me. It also makes me focus on keeping a steady beat and not lean on a click too hard lol

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