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The Elements

By onezero on April 3, 2022 11:58 pm

The theme this week is new (or new-old) strings. I haven't been all that happy with the mixes I've been doing lately, and listening to a few years back, I think some things were better. One change I'd made in the last year was...my bass strings: I went from GHS flatwounds to D'Addario half-flats, and...as much as I like D'Addario half-flats on guitar, I found I wasn't enjoying playing bass quite as much. So I put the old flatwounds back on, and wrote these bass parts late Friday night. The flatwounds really feel like home. And apparently they last forever. There's also one ascending pattern of parallel fifths on the high strings that got its own channel. (I'm also back on using just the P pickup here. Still using EQ-8 for bass rolloff, but less: -6dB below about 80Hz.)


Guitar: Saturday night I pulled out the home-built Res-O-Glas (new strings recently), and got a bunch of these down. One channel got high-pass Auto-Filter with drive, and both got some degree of room-sized reverb.


Drums: Ableton's 64 Pad Kit Rock, with some Max Humanizer, room-sized convolution reverb, and a touch of delay.


The title comes from 431 BCE being the year Empedocles distinguished the four elements.

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nice! love that mid-lo boomy flatwound sound, can feel it in my chest!
and this track got a smooth sultry vibe like:

Sounds good from here! Nothing like feeling comfortable with your instrument. Nice that the bass gets a little solo too

Tom petty destroyed his hand by punching a wall when he listened back to a demo of a song and realized it was better than the supposed final version they were working on. It happens to everyone. This sounds nice, keep plugging away!

RajaTheResidentAlien wrote:

nice! love that mid-lo boomy flatwound sound, can feel it in my chest!
and this track got a smooth sultry vibe like:

Thank you!

horatiuromantic wrote:

Sounds good from here! Nothing like feeling comfortable with your instrument. Nice that the bass gets a little solo too

Thank you! I do like when other instruments drop out--space is important!

blighters_rock wrote:

Tom petty destroyed his hand by punching a wall when he listened back to a demo of a song and realized it was better than the supposed final version they were working on. It happens to everyone. This sounds nice, keep plugging away!

Thank you! Yeah--this one, I think, is a vast improvement over last week, and putting on the old bass strings was the key: I think there was a weird buildup of lower-mid frequencies with the half-flats that I don't have with the full-flats. (Having done 431 of these, I've definitely seen some ups and downs.)

If you're happy, we're happy

song's great

glad your bass is feeling more comfortable - everything sounds great!  i have a hardtime getting mixes to sound good through this laptops speakers & this sounds perfect - not at all over compressed really wide space and clear sounds... you are so good with mixing/finalizing

emily wrote:

glad your bass is feeling more comfortable - everything sounds great!  i have a hardtime getting mixes to sound good through this laptops speakers & this sounds perfect - not at all over compressed really wide space and clear sounds... you are so good with mixing/finalizing


Thank you, Emily!

Here's the thing: it's all about the frequency profiles of each instrument. If some of their frequency spectrums overlap, then you'll have accumulating frequencies in that region you didn't intend. (This was a problem for me as well!) One friend likes to describe it as a parking lot: one car can fit in each frequency-space. If some other car (instrument) overlaps into another car (instrument)'s space, there'll be problems--unintentional buildup.

The solution is pretty much creative EQ: if you have a spectrum analyzer plugin, you can check the frequency profiles of each channel. If one channel's main information is in one band, but it has a lot of harmonics in the same band as another channel's fundamental, you could notch it out of the channel where that band is extraneous.

I don't always bother, but when things start to sound murky, that's the best time to start inspecting.

emily wrote:

i have a hardtime getting mixes to sound good through this laptops speakers

Laptop speakers are hard for mixing. There's no low end, mostly, so you end up relying on low mids (at best) and higher harmonics. I've noticed my mixes getting better or worse with the quality of the headphones I was using. (Probably the best are the Shure headphones I'm using now, though I do miss my deteriorated Sennheisers.)

That bass sound is just awesome. As always, a great mix with a lot of instrument separation and tasty playing!

onezero wrote:
emily wrote:

i have a hardtime getting mixes to sound good through this laptops speakers

Laptop speakers are hard for mixing. There's no low end, mostly, so you end up relying on low mids (at best) and higher harmonics. I've noticed my mixes getting better or worse with the quality of the headphones I was using. (Probably the best are the Shure headphones I'm using now, though I do miss my deteriorated Sennheisers.)

I rarely ever mix that way - it's more of a finalizing check - I had my headphones unplugged streaming your song and was just blow away with how nice it sounded on just the laptop speakers.   We have a little mono speaker we sometimes check mixes on - we've been driving less so we've been missing out on the car stereo test smile

Headphones are such a fussy tool - Josh has like 3 or more that he's been using to record, mix, and finalize with (possibly both of the ones you mentioned) - I generally mix to my cheap Sony headphones but might need to break that habit...? Some headphones really mess with me - like when he has a set up for me to record Rutabega vocals with & certain headphones - it sometimes throws me way off - could also be that he takes the time to set up all the fancy mics and stuff.  smile

onezero wrote:
emily wrote:

glad your bass is feeling more comfortable - everything sounds great!  i have a hardtime getting mixes to sound good through this laptops speakers & this sounds perfect - not at all over compressed really wide space and clear sounds... you are so good with mixing/finalizing


Thank you, Emily!

Here's the thing: it's all about the frequency profiles of each instrument. If some of their frequency spectrums overlap, then you'll have accumulating frequencies in that region you didn't intend. (This was a problem for me as well!) One friend likes to describe it as a parking lot: one car can fit in each frequency-space. If some other car (instrument) overlaps into another car (instrument)'s space, there'll be problems--unintentional buildup.

The solution is pretty much creative EQ: if you have a spectrum analyzer plugin, you can check the frequency profiles of each channel. If one channel's main information is in one band, but it has a lot of harmonics in the same band as another channel's fundamental, you could notch it out of the channel where that band is extraneous.

I don't always bother, but when things start to sound murky, that's the best time to start inspecting.

thank you this was a really helpful reminder - i had watched some mixing & finalizing video's that said the very same thing... i need to work on this - good goal for WB

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