I often shift my ideas with a time signature or tempo change (or both) and sometimes it works while other times it stinks and sounds like it belongs in a completely different song.  I don't think you really have either of those problems.  Your songs never get boring part way through and the ones I've heard haven't sounded like suddenly I was listening to a different song.  Sometimes they end too soon, though.  But I guess I can just listen to them again.

I often shift my ideas with a time signature or tempo change (or both) and sometimes it works while other times it stinks and sounds like it belongs in a completely different song. I don't think you really have either of those problems. Your songs never get boring part way through and the ones I've heard haven't sounded like suddenly I was listening to a different song. Sometimes they end too soon, though. But I guess I can just listen to them again.

The question you have to ask yourself is this: does the material deserve the time? If it does, then you should not worry about being boring and a single idea can be sat on for as long as it needs to. I would encourage you (and everybody) to be more critical of your patience to listen to music that goes for more than 3 minutes. If the material does NOT deserve the time, then you should reconsider your idea (or be happy with a short piece); as soon as you go changing up the idea then any sense of unity is destroyed.

This piece could have been developed much more because the original idea is solid, and the unity built so far is strong. Why not draw on the minimalists you like? Steve Reich and gradual deviations away from an initial idea springs to mind.

The question you have to ask yourself is this: does the material deserve the time? If it does, then you should not worry about being boring and a single idea can be sat on for as long as it needs to. I would encourage you (and everybody) to be more critical of your patience to listen to music that goes for more than 3 minutes. If the material does NOT deserve the time, then you should reconsider your idea (or be happy with a short piece); as soon as you go changing up the idea then any sense of unity is destroyed. This piece could have been developed much more because the original idea is solid, and the unity built so far is strong. Why not draw on the minimalists you like? Steve Reich and gradual deviations away from an initial idea springs to mind.

Addendum: good piece, keep working on it and develop it into something of great substance.

Addendum: good piece, keep working on it and develop it into something of great substance.

I believe that he did.

[quote=vinpous]Addendum: good piece, keep working on it and develop it into something of great substance.[/quote] I believe that he did.

I think it a piece of substance, I think it would be great. Salt, grains, etc. I suppose.

[quote=Nestrogen][quote=vinpous]Addendum: good piece, keep working on it and develop it into something of great substance.[/quote] I believe that he did. [/quote] I think it a piece of substance, I think it would be great. Salt, grains, etc. I suppose.

The voices sound uncomfortable with each other in the middle, and I think "where will this go?". It resolves with an ABA type structure which is pleasing. The theme of twisting is met well - the pressure relieves to where it started at. The length is good.

The voices sound uncomfortable with each other in the middle, and I think "where will this go?". It resolves with an ABA type structure which is pleasing. The theme of twisting is met well - the pressure relieves to where it started at. The length is good.

Not too long at all; even longer would be preferable. Nice dissonances.

Some 55 years after the demise of 78rpm records, we're still conditioned by their time limitations ;-)

Not too long at all; even longer would be preferable. Nice dissonances. Some 55 years after the demise of 78rpm records, we're still conditioned by their time limitations ;-)

I enjoyed this all the way through, I think the length fits the piece.
The low end is really great, creates the perfect foundation for the higher voices.

I enjoyed this all the way through, I think the length fits the piece. The low end is really great, creates the perfect foundation for the higher voices.

Nice.  I like the dissonance

Nice. I like the dissonance

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Wow there is a lot of low end in the dissonance! Now normally, I wouldn't have said anything about the length; seems fine to me, and I usually leave that to the author's discretion. But since you're bringing up the development piece... Do you usually notate your music? I've tried that lately, and it definitely helps me see a different side to the progression.

Wow there is a lot of low end in the dissonance! Now normally, I wouldn't have said anything about the length; seems fine to me, and I usually leave that to the author's discretion. But since you're bringing up the development piece... Do you usually notate your music? I've tried that lately, and it definitely helps me see a different side to the progression.

I really like this--there's a fine resonance to the lower frequencies, and I like the play of the harmonics of the higher notes in contrast.  I'd be ok with this being much, much longer, if you wanted to stretch it.  Well done!

I really like this--there's a fine resonance to the lower frequencies, and I like the play of the harmonics of the higher notes in contrast. I'd be ok with this being much, much longer, if you wanted to stretch it. Well done!

Not boring, not long and not so dissonant at all. I found it to be a really invinting cinematic piece: it evokes drama and conflict without being too "dramatic". Maybe "tension" is the word

Nice job!

Not boring, not long and not so dissonant at all. I found it to be a really invinting cinematic piece: it evokes drama and conflict without being too "dramatic". Maybe "tension" is the word :) Nice job!

Nice piece, Interesting - listened a couple times. I agree could have even longer version and twist and turn, tense and release over time for a cinematic story.

Nice piece, Interesting - listened a couple times. I agree could have even longer version and twist and turn, tense and release over time for a cinematic story.