Really cool effect with the strings and the piano gives it a really nice melancholic feel.  Nice work!

Really cool effect with the strings and the piano gives it a really nice melancholic feel. Nice work! :)

The problem with generative software (like M, Ovaltune, Just Another Random Machine, etc.) is they don't have a sense of direction or purpose. You can fake it to some extent by using shorter loops, but it still requires extensive dickage. Even the strict serialists manipulated their rows.

That aside, nicely done. Try gliss on a piano patch!

The problem with generative software (like M, Ovaltune, Just Another Random Machine, etc.) is they don't have a sense of direction or purpose. You can fake it to some extent by using shorter loops, but it still requires extensive dickage. Even the strict serialists manipulated their rows. That aside, nicely done. Try gliss on a piano patch!

Wow, I enjoyed that crazy ride 

Wow, I enjoyed that crazy ride :)

I guess the randomness for me is kind of the point. I still had control over all the aspects of the orchestration and automation. I think it's directionlessness (word?) is part of the charm of it. Taking that info and trying to make it seem like it was meant to be. Anyway, I remember now I did change the tempo in the random generator several times which I think gave it lots of direction. You could also change other parameters live to get some nice human robot action.

[quote=Jim Wood]The problem with generative software (like M, Ovaltune, Just Another Random Machine, etc.) is they don't have a sense of direction or purpose. You can fake it to some extent by using shorter loops, but it still requires extensive dickage. Even the strict serialists manipulated their rows. That aside, nicely done. Try gliss on a piano patch![/quote] I guess the randomness for me is kind of the point. I still had control over all the aspects of the orchestration and automation. I think it's directionlessness (word?) is part of the charm of it. Taking that info and trying to make it seem like it was meant to be. Anyway, I remember now I did change the tempo in the random generator several times which I think gave it lots of direction. You could also change other parameters live to get some nice human robot action.

Does a piece need direction? A start and an end point, or a destination?

@Tate: really cool track. Have you ever played with stochastic processes in this kind of piece? Weighted probability and the like?

[quote=Jim Wood]The problem with generative software (like M, Ovaltune, Just Another Random Machine, etc.) is they don't have a sense of direction or purpose. You can fake it to some extent by using shorter loops, but it still requires extensive dickage. Even the strict serialists manipulated their rows. That aside, nicely done. Try gliss on a piano patch![/quote] Does a piece need direction? A start and an end point, or a destination? @Tate: really cool track. Have you ever played with stochastic processes in this kind of piece? Weighted probability and the like?

I've messed around with cosmosf and iannix but they were both a little over my head. You bringing it up will probably make me want to try to explore it again. Any other suggestions besides those?

[quote=vinpous]really cool track. Have you ever played with stochastic processes in this kind of piece? Weighted probability and the like? [/quote] I've messed around with cosmosf and iannix but they were both a little over my head. You bringing it up will probably make me want to try to explore it again. Any other suggestions besides those?

Does a piece need direction? A start and an end point, or a destination?

Perhaps it's just a personal preference.

Does a piece need direction? A start and an end point, or a destination? Perhaps it's just a personal preference.

How is your Max or PD programming? Iannix I found really, really hard to get into, but I really want to! I should check out cosmosf. But you could definitely do things like that in Max or PD. I remember writing one during my undergrad that just had a whatever chance of repeating a note, and if that note got repeated then its probability of repeating again increased. Don't remember how I did it though, hah.

[quote=tatecarson][quote=vinpous]really cool track. Have you ever played with stochastic processes in this kind of piece? Weighted probability and the like? [/quote] I've messed around with cosmosf and iannix but they were both a little over my head. You bringing it up will probably make me want to try to explore it again. Any other suggestions besides those? [/quote] How is your Max or PD programming? Iannix I found really, really hard to get into, but I really want to! I should check out cosmosf. But you could definitely do things like that in Max or PD. I remember writing one during my undergrad that just had a whatever chance of repeating a note, and if that note got repeated then its probability of repeating again increased. Don't remember how I did it though, hah.

I want to but I don't know how to get into learning it really. I am using two max patches for live performance though, The Party Van and Derivations. Really amazing patches. It almost seems like there's no point after checking out those.

I want to but I don't know how to get into learning it really. I am using two max patches for live performance though, The Party Van and Derivations. Really amazing patches. It almost seems like there's no point after checking out those.