That was really enjoyable. I almost reckon it sounds like you restrain yourself a lot, George. That's my only critique.

That was really enjoyable. I almost reckon it sounds like you restrain yourself a lot, George. That's my only critique.

really cool sounds, I like. The F G Bb motif gives the listener something to latch on to, and the textures are really expressive

really cool sounds, I like. The F G Bb motif gives the listener something to latch on to, and the textures are really expressive

thanks! kinda proud of this one. restraining myself... how so? would be interesting to hear... make it sound more raw and noisy? or push the ideas further out there? hmmmm. I do think that if I could devote more time and had a better studio i could definitely unrestrain myself lol! thanks for the words of encouragement. I didn't get to spend much time on this one so it is ultimately thrown together quite quickly... started it one night, then spent another session the next day, and finally assembled it with layers and punchouts since there were 3 slightly different versions of it rendered, each pushed further from the original.

[quote=vinpous]That was really enjoyable. I almost reckon it sounds like you restrain yourself a lot, George. That's my only critique.[/quote] thanks! kinda proud of this one. restraining myself... how so? would be interesting to hear... make it sound more raw and noisy? or push the ideas further out there? hmmmm. I do think that if I could devote more time and had a better studio i could definitely unrestrain myself lol! thanks for the words of encouragement. I didn't get to spend much time on this one so it is ultimately thrown together quite quickly... started it one night, then spent another session the next day, and finally assembled it with layers and punchouts since there were 3 slightly different versions of it rendered, each pushed further from the original.

thanks, it is good to hear that in experimental work like this there is still  the familiar to latch on to and make the experience more memorable outside of "what the fuck was that"... i really like to blend experimentation with accessibility (one of my favorite things ever does that, my bloody valentine's 'loveless' and their work in general as well). anyways, texture is always my main focus so I'm glad this was interesting timbre-wise.

in making this i decided to use a sample pack that was offered free and linked to in an article i read. the site was realdrumsamples.com and the pack is Ultimate Percussion Jungle which has a picture of indigenous peeps on the cover. I have always loved processing very natural and timbre-ally rich, organic percussion with futuristic weird computer effects.

in this case I used FL Studio to track the piece, 10 separate percussion tracks, plus a virtual saxophone, virtual hurdy gurdy, and 3 different synthesizers set to weird sounds. I then saved 2 different versions out, one that was no-swing and slightly slower, and one that had swing/shuffle set to high and slighty faster in tempo.

I saved the slighty faster swingier one for the intro, and processed two different versions of the slower more robotic one in Ableton Live, one with some Ritmo effects to give it that IDM beat stuff that is happening, repeats and whatnot... and the last processing a heaped on more effects and made it sound even more different. the track goes through the first instance, then punches in and out between the more extreme versions, ending on the more processed version.

so FL Studio and Live generated different versions of the track, then it was assembled and mastered in Reaper.

[quote=Brackleforth]really cool sounds, I like. The F G Bb motif gives the listener something to latch on to, and the textures are really expressive[/quote]thanks, it is good to hear that in experimental work like this there is still the familiar to latch on to and make the experience more memorable outside of "what the fuck was that"... i really like to blend experimentation with accessibility (one of my favorite things ever does that, my bloody valentine's 'loveless' and their work in general as well). anyways, texture is always my main focus so I'm glad this was interesting timbre-wise. in making this i decided to use a sample pack that was offered free and linked to in an article i read. the site was realdrumsamples.com and the pack is Ultimate Percussion Jungle which has a picture of indigenous peeps on the cover. I have always loved processing very natural and timbre-ally rich, organic percussion with futuristic weird computer effects. in this case I used FL Studio to track the piece, 10 separate percussion tracks, plus a virtual saxophone, virtual hurdy gurdy, and 3 different synthesizers set to weird sounds. I then saved 2 different versions out, one that was no-swing and slightly slower, and one that had swing/shuffle set to high and slighty faster in tempo. I saved the slighty faster swingier one for the intro, and processed two different versions of the slower more robotic one in Ableton Live, one with some Ritmo effects to give it that IDM beat stuff that is happening, repeats and whatnot... and the last processing a heaped on more effects and made it sound even more different. the track goes through the first instance, then punches in and out between the more extreme versions, ending on the more processed version. so FL Studio and Live generated different versions of the track, then it was assembled and mastered in Reaper.

I mean that it sounds to me as though you've got the musical idea or whatever, but don't push it as far as it could go in practice. As though there's a kind of restraint between what you imagine and how you realise it? I could be wrong of course.

[quote=george bowles][quote=vinpous]That was really enjoyable. I almost reckon it sounds like you restrain yourself a lot, George. That's my only critique.[/quote] thanks! kinda proud of this one. restraining myself... how so? would be interesting to hear... make it sound more raw and noisy? or push the ideas further out there? hmmmm. I do think that if I could devote more time and had a better studio i could definitely unrestrain myself lol! thanks for the words of encouragement. I didn't get to spend much time on this one so it is ultimately thrown together quite quickly... started it one night, then spent another session the next day, and finally assembled it with layers and punchouts since there were 3 slightly different versions of it rendered, each pushed further from the original. [/quote] I mean that it sounds to me as though you've got the musical idea or whatever, but don't push it as far as it could go in practice. As though there's a kind of restraint between what you imagine and how you realise it? I could be wrong of course.

Loving the jungle percussion.  Incredible night and day contrast to the washes of staticy sounds to the sharp precision of the blocky hits.  A++

Loving the jungle percussion. Incredible night and day contrast to the washes of staticy sounds to the sharp precision of the blocky hits. A++

I'm impressed that, with all that's going on, I still feel a strong overriding organization.

Nicely done.

I'm impressed that, with all that's going on, I still feel a strong overriding organization. Nicely done.

Nice, rich and dense. Dig the percussion a lot. Agree that there is something to latch on to, which is great.

Nice, rich and dense. Dig the percussion a lot. Agree that there is something to latch on to, which is great.

a lot of that is probably moreso the rushed quality of weekly beats work, but yeah, i get that sort of comment a lot about my music in general. I like to leave things a bit abstract and ambiguous. such as, Marshall McLuhan's cool vs hot media. he doesn't really say one is better, but cool media is more left to the interpretation of the listener, where hot media is much more detailed and concrete. that's probably not how he meant the idea to be applied, but I thought it might be sort of illustrative of how I perceive it.

[quote=vinpous][quote=george bowles][quote=vinpous]That was really enjoyable. I almost reckon it sounds like you restrain yourself a lot, George. That's my only critique.[/quote] thanks! kinda proud of this one. restraining myself... how so? would be interesting to hear... make it sound more raw and noisy? or push the ideas further out there? hmmmm. I do think that if I could devote more time and had a better studio i could definitely unrestrain myself lol! thanks for the words of encouragement. I didn't get to spend much time on this one so it is ultimately thrown together quite quickly... started it one night, then spent another session the next day, and finally assembled it with layers and punchouts since there were 3 slightly different versions of it rendered, each pushed further from the original. [/quote] I mean that it sounds to me as though you've got the musical idea or whatever, but don't push it as far as it could go in practice. As though there's a kind of restraint between what you imagine and how you realise it? I could be wrong of course.[/quote] a lot of that is probably moreso the rushed quality of weekly beats work, but yeah, i get that sort of comment a lot about my music in general. I like to leave things a bit abstract and ambiguous. such as, Marshall McLuhan's cool vs hot media. he doesn't really say one is better, but cool media is more left to the interpretation of the listener, where hot media is much more detailed and concrete. that's probably not how he meant the idea to be applied, but I thought it might be sort of illustrative of how I perceive it.

many thanks for listening and for the feedback, i appreciate it. i think i will revisit this template later and use different percussion and push the idea further.

[quote=orangedrink]Loving the jungle percussion. Incredible night and day contrast to the washes of staticy sounds to the sharp precision of the blocky hits. A++[/quote] [quote=Jim Wood]I'm impressed that, with all that's going on, I still feel a strong overriding organization. Nicely done.[/quote] [quote=miraclemiles]Nice, rich and dense. Dig the percussion a lot. Agree that there is something to latch on to, which is great. [/quote] many thanks for listening and for the feedback, i appreciate it. i think i will revisit this template later and use different percussion and push the idea further.

It's not the rushed thing at all. I don't think it sounds unfinished, just restrained. Imagine swinging a punch but holding back - not committing yourself 100% to the idea. The idea is fully formed, the punch is fully realised, but it is restrained. The warm/cool thing is bollocks. All music is about interpretation at the point of listening, which is a very different thing to media in McLuhan's (now quite antiquated) world.

[quote=george bowles][quote=vinpous][quote=george bowles][quote=vinpous]That was really enjoyable. I almost reckon it sounds like you restrain yourself a lot, George. That's my only critique.[/quote] thanks! kinda proud of this one. restraining myself... how so? would be interesting to hear... make it sound more raw and noisy? or push the ideas further out there? hmmmm. I do think that if I could devote more time and had a better studio i could definitely unrestrain myself lol! thanks for the words of encouragement. I didn't get to spend much time on this one so it is ultimately thrown together quite quickly... started it one night, then spent another session the next day, and finally assembled it with layers and punchouts since there were 3 slightly different versions of it rendered, each pushed further from the original. [/quote] I mean that it sounds to me as though you've got the musical idea or whatever, but don't push it as far as it could go in practice. As though there's a kind of restraint between what you imagine and how you realise it? I could be wrong of course.[/quote] a lot of that is probably moreso the rushed quality of weekly beats work, but yeah, i get that sort of comment a lot about my music in general. I like to leave things a bit abstract and ambiguous. such as, Marshall McLuhan's cool vs hot media. he doesn't really say one is better, but cool media is more left to the interpretation of the listener, where hot media is much more detailed and concrete. that's probably not how he meant the idea to be applied, but I thought it might be sort of illustrative of how I perceive it. [/quote] It's not the rushed thing at all. I don't think it sounds unfinished, just restrained. Imagine swinging a punch but holding back - not committing yourself 100% to the idea. The idea is fully formed, the punch is fully realised, but it is restrained. The warm/cool thing is bollocks. All music is about interpretation at the point of listening, which is a very different thing to media in McLuhan's (now quite antiquated) world.