dreeks wrote:

i am also a strong believer that some albums just simply sound great when pushed super loud. i can think of a few albums (flying lotus - cosmogramma, sophie - oil of every pearl's uninsides, perfume - triangle, literally any jane remover album) where the loudness adds to the experience. of course in most cases loudness can destroy a mix, but in these cases it was a stylistic choice and i cannot imagine those albums working with quieter mastering.

also, i 1000000% agree with bobbyd. if you enjoy a track but feel that it is way too loud, please show us how you would master that track. this community is a great place for sharing knowledge, and people are always down for constructive criticism as long as it is in GOOD FAITH.

this exactly, a lot of the most interesting music these days is using the mix as an additional instrument and this is very obvious in a lot of stuff that i feel confident in calling "sludge rap" as well as being in a lot of contemporary jungle, dnb, breakcore, something i did for more than a decade . mixing needs to adapt to the times and there's not even much of a reason to bother with dynamic range for songs that have little dynamics in the first place . even opposed to that, you're able to work with dynamics perfectly fine while also utilizing heavy compression and low LUFS nummers . i am an engineer by profession and nothing is stopping me from redlining tracks +12db and then declipping them in RX which sounds awesome btw . music has no rules and it is our job as human beings to manipulate physics to our will

dreeks wrote:

i am also a strong believer that some albums just simply sound great when pushed super loud. i can think of a few albums (flying lotus - cosmogramma, sophie - oil of every pearl's uninsides, perfume - triangle, literally any jane remover album) where the loudness adds to the experience. of course in most cases loudness can destroy a mix, but in these cases it was a stylistic choice and i cannot imagine those albums working with quieter mastering.

also, i 1000000% agree with bobbyd. if you enjoy a track but feel that it is way too loud, please show us how you would master that track. this community is a great place for sharing knowledge, and people are always down for constructive criticism as long as it is in GOOD FAITH.

this exactly, a lot of the most interesting music these days is using the mix as an additional instrument and this is very obvious in a lot of stuff that i feel confident in calling "sludge rap" as well as being in a lot of contemporary jungle, dnb, breakcore, something i did for more than a decade . mixing needs to adapt to the times and there's not even much of a reason to bother with dynamic range for songs that have little dynamics in the first place . even opposed to that, you're able to work with dynamics perfectly fine while also utilizing heavy compression and low LUFS nummers . i am an engineer by profession and nothing is stopping me from redlining tracks +12db and then declipping them in RX which sounds awesome btw . music has no rules and it is our job as human beings to manipulate physics to our will

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