<![CDATA[WeeklyBeats.com - Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/topic/6100/trying-to-find-information-about-a-rhythm-change-method/ Thu, 13 Aug 2020 23:29:27 +0000 PunBB <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92737/#p92737 orangedrink says:

Wow, thanks for all your time writing this out.  I'm going to have to sit with a drum machine/drum kit and try punching all these out.

]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2020 23:29:27 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92737/#p92737 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92736/#p92736 fc says:
orangedrink wrote:

lololololol

I love that answer, thank you smile

Are there other terms?

Well, simply changing time signature isn't necessarily metric modulation. Metric modulation is changing between tempo and/or time signature where one fundamental pulse becomes a new, different, fundamental pulse. For example: an 8th note duplet becomes an 8th note triplet (1.5x faster, approximately) and that triplet then becomes the new 8th note duplet at a new tempo that is 1.5x faster than the original. Shifting from 4/4 to 3/4 at the same tempo isn't really something that needs/is metric modulation, because it is just losing (or gaining) a quarter-note impulse, but if you're really adhering to the difference in "feel" (few people actually do this), then adding the "feel" of one or the other by a technique such as polymetre, or polyrhythm, facilitates the change. So there are different metric devices that facilitate different types of changes in different ways. Hence my vague answer. wink

]]> Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:52:57 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92736/#p92736 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92735/#p92735 orangedrink says:

lololololol

I love that answer, thank you smile

Are there other terms?

]]> Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:55:32 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92735/#p92735 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92733/#p92733 fc says:
orangedrink wrote:
fc wrote:

It depends on what you want to do in your transition. 3/4 and 4/4 are not very different from one another, unlike 6/8 and 4/4 or 6/8 and 3/4. A transition from 3/4 to 4/4 should work reasonably seamlessly without any fancy devices, as you're kind of just adding or subtracting a beat. But if you wanted to make the transition a little more fluid, you can superimpose one on the other for a short period before the change.

For the following, S = strong, W = weak (referring to the beat strength. SS will mean secondary-strong.

In 3/4, your pulse pattern is: S W W | S W W | S W W | etc. (counting ONE two three | ONE two three)

In 4/4 your pulse pattern is: S W SS W |S W SS W | S W SS W| etc. (counting ONE two THREE four | ONE two THREE four).

Ok so for a 3/4 you might have a pulse pattern: S W W | S W W | etc. and you might want to move it into 4/4, so you would introduce the 4/4 pulse pattern against the 3/4 pulse pattern, say, in one instrument.

I1 3/4|| S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | 4/4 S W SS W | S W SS W | etc.

I2 3/4|| S W W | S W W | S W W | S W SS | W S W | SS W S | 4/4 S W SS W | S W SS W| etc.

In that example, instrument 2 introduces the "polymetre" of 4/4 against 3/4 facilitating a slightly smoother move into 4/4.

Notice that in the final bar before the 4/4 change there will be a "double accent" where the final strong pulse of the 3/4 has a new downbeat in 4/4. To get around this you simply disregard that beat structure a bit (I.e SS W W | 4/4 S W SS W) or make the transition long enough to have the full length of 3:4 (12 beats).

There are other ways to do this, but that is one of the easier ones. Is that what you are after?

Thank you for this!  I got an update - is the term I'm looking for "metric modulation" ?

Short answer is "yes", long answer is: "kinda". tongue

]]> Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:20:20 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92733/#p92733 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92731/#p92731 orangedrink says:
fc wrote:

It depends on what you want to do in your transition. 3/4 and 4/4 are not very different from one another, unlike 6/8 and 4/4 or 6/8 and 3/4. A transition from 3/4 to 4/4 should work reasonably seamlessly without any fancy devices, as you're kind of just adding or subtracting a beat. But if you wanted to make the transition a little more fluid, you can superimpose one on the other for a short period before the change.

For the following, S = strong, W = weak (referring to the beat strength. SS will mean secondary-strong.

In 3/4, your pulse pattern is: S W W | S W W | S W W | etc. (counting ONE two three | ONE two three)

In 4/4 your pulse pattern is: S W SS W |S W SS W | S W SS W| etc. (counting ONE two THREE four | ONE two THREE four).

Ok so for a 3/4 you might have a pulse pattern: S W W | S W W | etc. and you might want to move it into 4/4, so you would introduce the 4/4 pulse pattern against the 3/4 pulse pattern, say, in one instrument.

I1 3/4|| S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | 4/4 S W SS W | S W SS W | etc.

I2 3/4|| S W W | S W W | S W W | S W SS | W S W | SS W S | 4/4 S W SS W | S W SS W| etc.

In that example, instrument 2 introduces the "polymetre" of 4/4 against 3/4 facilitating a slightly smoother move into 4/4.

Notice that in the final bar before the 4/4 change there will be a "double accent" where the final strong pulse of the 3/4 has a new downbeat in 4/4. To get around this you simply disregard that beat structure a bit (I.e SS W W | 4/4 S W SS W) or make the transition long enough to have the full length of 3:4 (12 beats).

There are other ways to do this, but that is one of the easier ones. Is that what you are after?

Thank you for this!  I got an update - is the term I'm looking for "metric modulation" ?

]]> Sat, 08 Aug 2020 20:44:56 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92731/#p92731 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92703/#p92703 fc says:

It depends on what you want to do in your transition. 3/4 and 4/4 are not very different from one another, unlike 6/8 and 4/4 or 6/8 and 3/4. A transition from 3/4 to 4/4 should work reasonably seamlessly without any fancy devices, as you're kind of just adding or subtracting a beat. But if you wanted to make the transition a little more fluid, you can superimpose one on the other for a short period before the change.

For the following, S = strong, W = weak (referring to the beat strength. SS will mean secondary-strong.

In 3/4, your pulse pattern is: S W W | S W W | S W W | etc. (counting ONE two three | ONE two three)

In 4/4 your pulse pattern is: S W SS W |S W SS W | S W SS W| etc. (counting ONE two THREE four | ONE two THREE four).

Ok so for a 3/4 you might have a pulse pattern: S W W | S W W | etc. and you might want to move it into 4/4, so you would introduce the 4/4 pulse pattern against the 3/4 pulse pattern, say, in one instrument.

I1 3/4|| S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | S W W | 4/4 S W SS W | S W SS W | etc.

I2 3/4|| S W W | S W W | S W W | S W SS | W S W | SS W S | 4/4 S W SS W | S W SS W| etc.

In that example, instrument 2 introduces the "polymetre" of 4/4 against 3/4 facilitating a slightly smoother move into 4/4.

Notice that in the final bar before the 4/4 change there will be a "double accent" where the final strong pulse of the 3/4 has a new downbeat in 4/4. To get around this you simply disregard that beat structure a bit (I.e SS W W | 4/4 S W SS W) or make the transition long enough to have the full length of 3:4 (12 beats).

There are other ways to do this, but that is one of the easier ones. Is that what you are after?

]]> Sun, 19 Jul 2020 03:13:51 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92703/#p92703 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92702/#p92702 orangedrink says:
fc wrote:

I can't help with the comment search, but I can possibly answer questions you may have about that rough area, if helpful?

Thank you!

I think it is something like a Hemiola (https://douglasniedt.com/hemiola.html)

But it was about 3/4 into 4/4

]]> Sun, 19 Jul 2020 00:48:24 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92702/#p92702 <![CDATA[Re: Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92701/#p92701 fc says:

I can't help with the comment search, but I can possibly answer questions you may have about that rough area, if helpful?

]]> Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:23:54 +0000 https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92701/#p92701 <![CDATA[Trying to find information about a rhythm change method...]]> https://weeklybeats.com/forums/post/92700/#p92700 orangedrink says:

A couple years ago, I left a comment on someone's track, and they explained a rhythmic technique to me.  I unfortunately cannot find where I saved this information!  Maybe someone can read my vague description and help me out?


I THINK it was something about moving a piece from 3/4 to 4/4 in a rather seamless way.  Something about putting an accent on one rhythm so it would change over "in time"


That's all I got - thanks in advance smile

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