i love ableton live, and having used it for a long time, i'm used to working around it's limitations. but comping is one thing that they NEEEEEEEED to add.

Which one? There are 6 to choose from.
Last I checked Ableton and most other companies out there use zplane for their time stretching. https://www.zplane.de

Interesting note about bitwig is they apparently rolled their own.

IMO ableton have one of the worst 'flex' algorithms still in V9. It's great on beats and such but can't really time stretch complete song properly. I didn't either never mix in Ableton for years. I just could not get as good mixes as i could get with logic. I don't know when it happened, but currently i'm comfortable on mixing with both. Ableton sucks on tracking (one of the biggest features needed in DAW). V9 and not even simplest comping available

Bitwig is very interesting, but if it will be iLok protected then it's no go for me. Dongles in 2014? No thanks.

ReNoise is tracker so you can't really compare. $300 is not bad price if it would include at least four major updates. If it's free until 2.0 and then another $99 then it's too much. IMO ableton charges way too much for the updates. I don't even want to know how much money i have poured into Live and Logic

Logic and Ableton are my two faves. I teach Protools classes and I gotta say it's the best for editing audio and recording bands but it's a pain in the ass trying to write and be creative in. The MIDI setup is shit.
I'm a longtime Logic user and I love the flexibility and inbuilt plugins which is why I gravitated towards it to start off with. I really like Ableton for slapping together things quickly using loops and samples and it's 'flex' algorithms seem to be the best out there. I've never liked mixing in Ableton though I think the traditional DAW setup (Logic and PT) is better workflow for this.

To be fair, BitWig has been in private beta for about two years now. I reckon the initial release will be pretty solid.

Ye.

Also it's important to consider how long it will take you learn the software.

Looks great though, may jump on during version 1 if it can do live looping (like a looping pedal)

Good call,
300>$ is a HUGE amount for one version of software, -- And I suspect several items may be missing from the initial release. (LAN Jamming for example)

Least with Renoise (80$) you get an entire release cycle 3.x to 4.x or in this case from when you purchased.

Hopefully Bitwig do something similar
Or Perhaps they will release trialware -- can live with that

I use FL, love it. Interested in Bitwig as I really like how Ableton works with controllers. I want to be able to just make stuff with my MPK 61.

I wouldn't recommend buying a software right on release though, there will probably be bugs that will need to be sorted out.

I love FLStudio. I also really like the free upgrades for life, once you've purchase it.

Though I have a collab project that now starts off in Ableton, and I can see the power it has with midi routing, clips and effects racks. I hope at some point during the year to make and post some wb tracks all done in Ableton. Though I'm still pretty comfortable with all the FL keyboard shortcuts and automation clips and just throwing anything onto the playlist to stretch or chop up.

Hmm. Noticed that too, have promised myself to investigate. Not that I really feel the need. I try and avoid my computer as much as possible, which basically means doing almost everything on the OP-1. But when I have to I use Logic, and now puredata all the more. Audiomulch is still a favourite, at least until I get around to building something as fully featured as the granulator and the nebulizer fx in it (in puredata that is).

Always on the lookout for cool new stuff though.

In case anyone missed it. and is remotely interested.
Bitwig announced: You'll need $399USD/€299EUR and you can have it on 26 March
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/nam … ced-591902

cool, as you were.

(tho, i'm pretty comfortable with live at the moment) (this will be a fun year to explore)

At the moment,
Renoise to draft up ideas, and trigger samples and slices very quickly....
But everything I do still seems to find it's way in Live for the mastering phase of my workflow...

I've been on the hunt to find the 'perfect DAW' and wasted too much time looking for it...
However, I hear BITWIG will be announcing their prices/dates at NAMM later this month!

So I will definitely be investigating it as another option to explore...

Ableton Live with Max for Live and Max. Really flexible (for what it is) yet very quick and easy to work with.

Can't beat Logic when recording and comping audio. The Comp feature that came in few years ago have been lifesaver for me. Ableton Live for jamming and live gigs. Waiting Bitwig to come out. It seems that they have updated all Live's core features that Ableton have seem to forgotten.

I used FL when it was still just a simple beatmachine. It has evolved quite a lot since.