You ppl deserve your channels not growing, you deserve being lost and unrecognized, you deserve being replaced by AI, you deserve being not paid by distributors.

lmao just turn the volume down on your computer

i am also a strong believer that some albums just simply sound great when pushed super loud. i can think of a few albums (flying lotus - cosmogramma, sophie - oil of every pearl's uninsides, perfume - triangle, literally any jane remover album) where the loudness adds to the experience. of course in most cases loudness can destroy a mix, but in these cases it was a stylistic choice and i cannot imagine those albums working with quieter mastering.

also, i 1000000% agree with bobbyd. if you enjoy a track but feel that it is way too loud, please show us how you would master that track. this community is a great place for sharing knowledge, and people are always down for constructive criticism as long as it is in GOOD FAITH.

this exactly, a lot of the most interesting music these days is using the mix as an additional instrument and this is very obvious in a lot of stuff that i feel confident in calling "sludge rap" as well as being in a lot of contemporary jungle, dnb, breakcore, something i did for more than a decade . mixing needs to adapt to the times and there's not even much of a reason to bother with dynamic range for songs that have little dynamics in the first place . even opposed to that, you're able to work with dynamics perfectly fine while also utilizing heavy compression and low LUFS nummers . i am an engineer by profession and nothing is stopping me from redlining tracks +12db and then declipping them in RX which sounds awesome btw . music has no rules and it is our job as human beings to manipulate physics to our will

i am also a strong believer that some albums just simply sound great when pushed super loud. i can think of a few albums (flying lotus - cosmogramma, sophie - oil of every pearl's uninsides, perfume - triangle, literally any jane remover album) where the loudness adds to the experience. of course in most cases loudness can destroy a mix, but in these cases it was a stylistic choice and i cannot imagine those albums working with quieter mastering.

also, i 1000000% agree with bobbyd. if you enjoy a track but feel that it is way too loud, please show us how you would master that track. this community is a great place for sharing knowledge, and people are always down for constructive criticism as long as it is in GOOD FAITH.

this exactly, a lot of the most interesting music these days is using the mix as an additional instrument and this is very obvious in a lot of stuff that i feel confident in calling "sludge rap" as well as being in a lot of contemporary jungle, dnb, breakcore, something i did for more than a decade . mixing needs to adapt to the times and there's not even much of a reason to bother with dynamic range for songs that have little dynamics in the first place . even opposed to that, you're able to work with dynamics perfectly fine while also utilizing heavy compression and low LUFS nummers . i am an engineer by profession and nothing is stopping me from redlining tracks +12db and then declipping them in RX which sounds awesome btw . music has no rules and it is our job as human beings to manipulate physics to our will

VU meters were designed in the 1930s to keep radio technicians from blowing vacuum tubes. They have a 300ms lag  by design. In a genre like Jungle, a snare transient or a sub-bass peak happens in a fraction of that time. By the time a VU needle even flinches, your digital signal has already peaked, clipped, and squared off.

Furthermore, 0 VU is usually calibrated to -18 dBFS. Modern production, and the 'weight' required for club systems, happens almost entirely in that top 18dB of headroom that a VU meter isn't even built to show you.

If you want to monitor perceived loudness today, you use LUFS. If you want to monitor peaks, you use True Peak meters. Using a VU meter as your primary reference for a digital master isn't 'proper'.

The idea that older music was quieter out of "tasteful restraint" is a myth. Vinyl is a physical medium with a hard ceiling,  push the master too far and it causes something called “overmodulation”. It was a technical limitation, not an aesthetic philosophy. The same limitations don’t apply to digital audio. (Not to mention that limiter technology has improved drastically since then.)

And let's not pretend 90s junglists were delicate about levels. They were red-lining mixers and distorting breaks into sawdust. They would have absolutely used modern tools and smashed their masters to smithereens.

To the OP…If you're A/B-ing 90s vinyl rips against modern masters and finding everything "too loud," the issue is almost certainly GAIN MATCHING.  Pull your references down to the same perceived loudness before comparing. That's a fundamental mixing skill and it'll completely change how you evaluate other people's work.

Nobody here deserves to fail because of where they are in their learning. That's the opposite of what this community is for.

TLDR: OP needs to learn how to twist a knob.

weeklybeats is a space where i've been able to let go of my perfectionism. do some of my tracks sound way too loud? absolutely. but i intend to fix that later down the line. the point for me is to just always submit something, even if it's underdeveloped and crunchy.

i am also a strong believer that some albums just simply sound great when pushed super loud. i can think of a few albums (flying lotus - cosmogramma, sophie - oil of every pearl's uninsides, perfume - triangle, literally any jane remover album) where the loudness adds to the experience. of course in most cases loudness can destroy a mix, but in these cases it was a stylistic choice and i cannot imagine those albums working with quieter mastering.

also, i 1000000% agree with bobbyd. if you enjoy a track but feel that it is way too loud, please show us how you would master that track. this community is a great place for sharing knowledge, and people are always down for constructive criticism as long as it is in GOOD FAITH.

2. If you have an opinion and want to convince people that they should change what they're doing to agree with you, calling them stupid doesn't actually work, so by posting like this, you're actually just wasting your time, unless your goal is just to troll people.

This is my first year doing weekly beats (although I've been making music for a long time), and one of my goals is to get better at mixing. I've received a lot of constructive and helpful comments that have made me enthusiastic to try and improve. Your post is not one of them.

If you genuinely think all the tracks posted to WB are too loud, perhaps you could do something constructive and show some examples of the spectrum analyzer of tracks in the genres people are posting and then their tracks and show how they might make changes to make them more genre appropriate in your opinion.

Overall, if you're going to express your criticism this way, it might be best to keep your thoughts to yourself.