IMO ableton have one of the worst 'flex' algorithms still in V9.
Which one? There are 6 to choose from. 
Last I checked Ableton and most other companies out there use zplane for their time stretching. https://www.zplane.de
Interesting note about bitwig is they apparently rolled their own.
]]>I really like Ableton for slapping together things quickly using loops and samples and it's 'flex' algorithms seem to be the best out there. I've never liked mixing in Ableton though I think the traditional DAW setup (Logic and PT) is better workflow for this
IMO ableton have one of the worst 'flex' algorithms still in V9. It's great on beats and such but can't really time stretch complete song properly. I didn't either never mix in Ableton for years. I just could not get as good mixes as i could get with logic. I don't know when it happened, but currently i'm comfortable on mixing with both. Ableton sucks on tracking (one of the biggest features needed in DAW). V9 and not even simplest comping available 
ReNoise is tracker so you can't really compare. $300 is not bad price if it would include at least four major updates. If it's free until 2.0 and then another $99 then it's too much. IMO ableton charges way too much for the updates. I don't even want to know how much money i have poured into Live and Logic 
Also it's important to consider how long it will take you learn the software.
Looks great though, may jump on during version 1 if it can do live looping (like a looping pedal)
]]>I use FL, love it. Interested in Bitwig as I really like how Ableton works with controllers. I want to be able to just make stuff with my MPK 61.
I wouldn't recommend buying a software right on release though, there will probably be bugs that will need to be sorted out.
Good call,
300>$ is a HUGE amount for one version of software, -- And I suspect several items may be missing from the initial release. (LAN Jamming for example)
Least with Renoise (80$) you get an entire release cycle 3.x to 4.x or in this case from when you purchased.
Hopefully Bitwig do something similar
Or Perhaps they will release trialware -- can live with that
I wouldn't recommend buying a software right on release though, there will probably be bugs that will need to be sorted out.
]]>Though I have a collab project that now starts off in Ableton, and I can see the power it has with midi routing, clips and effects racks. I hope at some point during the year to make and post some wb tracks all done in Ableton. Though I'm still pretty comfortable with all the FL keyboard shortcuts and automation clips and just throwing anything onto the playlist to stretch or chop up.
]]>In case anyone missed it. and is remotely interested.
Bitwig announced: You'll need $399USD/€299EUR and you can have it on 26 March
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/nam … ced-591902cool, as you were.
(tho, i'm pretty comfortable with live at the moment) (this will be a fun year to explore)
Hmm. Noticed that too, have promised myself to investigate. Not that I really feel the need. I try and avoid my computer as much as possible, which basically means doing almost everything on the OP-1. But when I have to I use Logic, and now puredata all the more. Audiomulch is still a favourite, at least until I get around to building something as fully featured as the granulator and the nebulizer fx in it (in puredata that is).
Always on the lookout for cool new stuff though.
]]>cool, as you were.
(tho, i'm pretty comfortable with live at the moment) (this will be a fun year to explore)
]]>I've been on the hunt to find the 'perfect DAW' and wasted too much time looking for it...
However, I hear BITWIG will be announcing their prices/dates at NAMM later this month!
So I will definitely be investigating it as another option to explore...
]]>I used FL when it was still just a simple beatmachine. It has evolved quite a lot since.
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