beautiful stuff mate. really nice understated textures. love the rhythms that emerge too.

beautiful stuff mate. really nice understated textures. love the rhythms that emerge too.

love to know more about your tape process on this. I'd love to do more tape loop stuff myself, I really love the texture / character it gives

love to know more about your tape process on this. I'd love to do more tape loop stuff myself, I really love the texture / character it gives

Thanks for both comments! It's actually fake tape. Just some pure data patching that emulates tape (including the speed up and speed down and whatnot). It's surprisingly convincing, hey? I might do an actual tape piece at some stage but I've recently packed most of my hardware up because I haven't been using it.

https://gist.github.com/vgiles/abfef14a27fcd71508ded55651f3e5fe#file-pd-tape-stuff if you want to have a look. There's some additional stuff there that I've been working on for this week's, but the main part should still be functional.

[quote=lysdexic]love to know more about your tape process on this. I'd love to do more tape loop stuff myself, I really love the texture / character it gives[/quote] Thanks for both comments! It's actually fake tape. Just some pure data patching that emulates tape (including the speed up and speed down and whatnot). It's surprisingly convincing, hey? I might do an actual tape piece at some stage but I've recently packed most of my hardware up because I haven't been using it. https://gist.github.com/vgiles/abfef14a27fcd71508ded55651f3e5fe#file-pd-tape-stuff if you want to have a look. There's some additional stuff there that I've been working on for this week's, but the main part should still be functional.

nice one! yeah totally effective. I'm still yet to do an audio ringbuffer tapeloop style thing in max - even with data I still haven't really done the loop / ringbuffer thing in any depth, should give it a go.

was going to say right at the end there's some really lovely vladislav delay moments that I felt I wanted to keep going. some nice dub techno/basic channel stuff along with your textures could work really well

nice one! yeah totally effective. I'm still yet to do an audio ringbuffer tapeloop style thing in max - even with data I still haven't really done the loop / ringbuffer thing in any depth, should give it a go. was going to say right at the end there's some really lovely vladislav delay moments that I felt I wanted to keep going. some nice dub techno/basic channel stuff along with your textures could work really well :)

Ooh. This is the sound bath I never knew I needed. Excellent work. Definitely going to add this to my flying playlist. I've got > 11 later this month.

Now I've got to hop to listening to Steve's record also.

Ooh. This is the sound bath I never knew I needed. Excellent work. Definitely going to add this to my flying playlist. I've got > 11 later this month. Now I've got to hop to listening to Steve's record also.

> 11 hours*

[quote=kevanatkins]> 11[/quote] > 11 hours*

Crazy modulation! Real neat ambient work!

Crazy modulation! Real neat ambient work! <3

OK I have to admit this isn't really for me; although I'm sure a ton of work went into it based on the Github gist you posted.  Can you expand a little on the gist?  What am I looking at?  Almost looks like assembly code.  I'm assuming there's some type of "interpreter" that takes these instructions and creates the sounds?

Like I said, not exactly my type of music but there are some really interesting sounds going on here.

OK I have to admit this isn't really for me; although I'm sure a ton of work went into it based on the Github gist you posted. Can you expand a little on the gist? What am I looking at? Almost looks like assembly code. I'm assuming there's some type of "interpreter" that takes these instructions and creates the sounds? Like I said, not exactly my type of music but there are some really interesting sounds going on here.

55 repetitions, roughly. Not too bad.

Thanks so much! Yes, I'm a big fan of events within a composition being the trigger or modulator for other events.

Perfect! I would love to know why it isn't for you - I get curious about people's experiences. I mean, I find pattern-based music a bit hard to listen to sometimes.
As for the Gist: that's just the text file output of a PureData patch. If you download it and rename the extension from .txt to .pd it will open and look something like this.

Basically it's four virtual (mono) tape decks playing back either forwards at backwards, at various speeds (determined by white noise LFOs), the samples loaded into them. Two of these run through delays, all four run through filters, and other LFOs control volume and pan of each of the 'tapes'. Does that help?

[quote=kevanatkins]Ooh. This is the sound bath I never knew I needed. Excellent work. Definitely going to add this to my flying playlist. I've got > 11 later this month. Now I've got to hop to listening to Steve's record also.[/quote] 55 repetitions, roughly. Not too bad. [quote=Mortistar]Crazy modulation! Real neat ambient work! <3[/quote] Thanks so much! Yes, I'm a big fan of events within a composition being the trigger or modulator for other events. [quote=coreytrev0r]OK I have to admit this isn't really for me; although I'm sure a ton of work went into it based on the Github gist you posted. Can you expand a little on the gist? What am I looking at? Almost looks like assembly code. I'm assuming there's some type of "interpreter" that takes these instructions and creates the sounds? Like I said, not exactly my type of music but there are some really interesting sounds going on here.[/quote] Perfect! I would love to know why it isn't for you - I get curious about people's experiences. I mean, I find pattern-based music a bit hard to listen to sometimes. As for the Gist: that's just the text file output of a PureData patch. If you download it and rename the extension from .txt to .pd it will open and look something like [url=https://www.vgiles.net/img/wb/pd.png]this[/url]. Basically it's four virtual (mono) tape decks playing back either forwards at backwards, at various speeds (determined by white noise LFOs), the samples loaded into them. Two of these run through delays, all four run through filters, and other LFOs control volume and pan of each of the 'tapes'. Does that help?

I like the organic and random nature of the composition.  Stereo panning places it directly between the ears.  Also intrigued by the idea of virtual tape loops. Thanks for all the details.  Definitely helps with the context.  This style of composition is out of my range of experience.  Any influences or reference composers that you can share?

I like the organic and random nature of the composition. Stereo panning places it directly between the ears. Also intrigued by the idea of virtual tape loops. Thanks for all the details. Definitely helps with the context. This style of composition is out of my range of experience. Any influences or reference composers that you can share?

Hey thanks so much! On the panning, there is a part in it that (still) gets me, and it's as though there's something sneaking up on my over my right shoulder. Fun times.
For some historic and somewhat contemporary reference points: John Cage's "Williams Mix", Pierre Schaeffer's everything, Pierre Henri's everything, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Iannis Xenakis' "Concrete PH". Some more recent things to check out would be Denis Smalley's everything, Manuella Blackburn's everything. And if you're interested in reading about stuff like this and much more in a quasi-academic way, "Composing Electronic Music" by Curtis Roads is an excellent book.

[quote=NWSPR]I like the organic and random nature of the composition. Stereo panning places it directly between the ears. Also intrigued by the idea of virtual tape loops. Thanks for all the details. Definitely helps with the context. This style of composition is out of my range of experience. Any influences or reference composers that you can share?[/quote] Hey thanks so much! On the panning, there is a part in it that (still) gets me, and it's as though there's something sneaking up on my over my right shoulder. Fun times. For some historic and somewhat contemporary reference points: John Cage's "Williams Mix", Pierre Schaeffer's everything, Pierre Henri's everything, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Iannis Xenakis' "Concrete PH". Some more recent things to check out would be Denis Smalley's everything, Manuella Blackburn's everything. And if you're interested in reading about stuff like this and much more in a quasi-academic way, "Composing Electronic Music" by Curtis Roads is an excellent book. <3

Oh, and Hainbach.

[quote=fc][quote=NWSPR]I like the organic and random nature of the composition. Stereo panning places it directly between the ears. Also intrigued by the idea of virtual tape loops. Thanks for all the details. Definitely helps with the context. This style of composition is out of my range of experience. Any influences or reference composers that you can share?[/quote] Hey thanks so much! On the panning, there is a part in it that (still) gets me, and it's as though there's something sneaking up on my over my right shoulder. Fun times. For some historic and somewhat contemporary reference points: John Cage's "Williams Mix", Pierre Schaeffer's everything, Pierre Henri's everything, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Iannis Xenakis' "Concrete PH". Some more recent things to check out would be Denis Smalley's everything, Manuella Blackburn's everything. And if you're interested in reading about stuff like this and much more in a quasi-academic way, "Composing Electronic Music" by Curtis Roads is an excellent book. <3[/quote] Oh, and Hainbach.

This is really nice!  Loved the smoothness of the tones and the modulation of speed and panning.  It also tied all the various pieces together as one.

This is really nice! Loved the smoothness of the tones and the modulation of speed and panning. It also tied all the various pieces together as one.

Wow. This really captured me. It's not difficult to make "avant-garde" music that, really, does nothing but stroke the ego of the composer. This is definitely NOT that. Have you messed with VCV Rack? I'm really interested in what you'd do with it.

Wow. This really captured me. It's not difficult to make "avant-garde" music that, really, does nothing but stroke the ego of the composer. This is definitely NOT that. Have you messed with VCV Rack? I'm really interested in what you'd do with it.

Thanks! I agree very much with the sentiment behind the ego comment; it is easy to make "avant-garde" or "experimental" music without rigour or thought or feeling. I'm glad this doesn't come across as that. I've played with VCV a bit, and I have a small (but slowly expanding) physical eurorack/semi-modular setup too. I'm not all that keen on VCV because it smashes my GPU which I find annoying. I love the concept of it though!

[quote=ecso]Wow. This really captured me. It's not difficult to make "avant-garde" music that, really, does nothing but stroke the ego of the composer. This is definitely NOT that. Have you messed with VCV Rack? I'm really interested in what you'd do with it.[/quote] Thanks! I agree very much with the sentiment behind the ego comment; it is easy to make "avant-garde" or "experimental" music without rigour or thought or feeling. I'm glad this doesn't come across as that. I've played with VCV a bit, and I have a small (but slowly expanding) physical eurorack/semi-modular setup too. I'm not all that keen on VCV because it smashes my GPU which I find annoying. I love the concept of it though!

Thanks for the list of artists to check out!  Much appreciated.  I'll do some exploring this week.

[quote=fc][quote=NWSPR]I like the organic and random nature of the composition. Stereo panning places it directly between the ears. Also intrigued by the idea of virtual tape loops. Thanks for all the details. Definitely helps with the context. This style of composition is out of my range of experience. Any influences or reference composers that you can share?[/quote] Hey thanks so much! On the panning, there is a part in it that (still) gets me, and it's as though there's something sneaking up on my over my right shoulder. Fun times. For some historic and somewhat contemporary reference points: John Cage's "Williams Mix", Pierre Schaeffer's everything, Pierre Henri's everything, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Iannis Xenakis' "Concrete PH". Some more recent things to check out would be Denis Smalley's everything, Manuella Blackburn's everything. And if you're interested in reading about stuff like this and much more in a quasi-academic way, "Composing Electronic Music" by Curtis Roads is an excellent book. <3[/quote] Thanks for the list of artists to check out! Much appreciated. I'll do some exploring this week.

very comfy

very comfy