Very ghostly.  I love the swelling pads and huge reverb on the vocals, you definitely matched the theme.  I can't answer your question though. 

Very ghostly. I love the swelling pads and huge reverb on the vocals, you definitely matched the theme. I can't answer your question though.

so much emotive beauty
& you are everywhere!

so much emotive beauty & you are everywhere! [img=headexplods]https://media.giphy.com/media/KdlxvZK2ecKA2zM3yE/giphy.gif[/img]

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So beautiful and so dark...

So beautiful and so dark... [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/qc6NxlbBDLXLkgE8dc/giphy.gif[/img]

Simple and beautiful.

[img]https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/studio-ghibli/images/3/32/Kodama_Animation.gif[/img] Simple and beautiful.

nice & spooky

nice & spooky

I don't know the answer either, but this sounds like the kind of music ghosts would enjoy listening to.  Very otherworldly.

I don't know the answer either, but this sounds like the kind of music ghosts would enjoy listening to. Very otherworldly.

Beautiful sound to this one.  So peaceful and serene with those drawn out pads and your ethereal vocals.  A good track to meditate too I believe. 

Beautiful sound to this one. So peaceful and serene with those drawn out pads and your ethereal vocals. A good track to meditate too I believe. :)

Good question, what even is a ghost?

Good question, what even is a ghost?

"Poor dead flower? when did you forget you were a flower? when did you look at your skin and decide you were an impotent dirty old locomotive? the ghost of a locomotive? the specter and shade of a once powerful mad American locomotive?

You were never no locomotive, Sunflower, you were a sunflower!   
And you Locomotive, you are a locomotive, forget me not!

So I grabbed up the skeleton thick sunflower and stuck it at my side like a scepter,
and deliver my sermon to my soul, and Jack’s soul too, and anyone who’ll listen,
—We’re not our skin of grime, we’re not dread bleak dusty imageless locomotives, we’re golden sunflowers inside, blessed by our own seed & hairy naked accomplishment-bodies growing into mad black formal sunflowers in the sunset, spied on by our own eyes under the shadow of the mad locomotive riverbank sunset Frisco hilly tincan evening sitdown vision." -sunflower sutra

i have mixed feels about those beat poets but this poem reminded me this week that i am not a ghost - i am a sunflower...

we're golden sunflowers

[quote=Chrisfoo]Very ghostly. I love the swelling pads and huge reverb on the vocals, you definitely matched the theme. I can't answer your question though. [/quote] [quote=RajaTheResidentAlien]so much emotive beauty & you are everywhere! [img=headexplods]https://media.giphy.com/media/KdlxvZK2ecKA2zM3yE/giphy.gif[/img][/quote] [quote=Ipaghost][url="http://www.garbage-party.com/"][img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xyj0M45c9MkXhS/giphy.gif?cid=790b76113d45e94b938a764d94a0e058559caece5233a46b&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/img][/url][/quote] [quote=ilzxc]So beautiful and so dark... [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/qc6NxlbBDLXLkgE8dc/giphy.gif[/img] [/quote] [quote=Kedbreak136][img]https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/studio-ghibli/images/3/32/Kodama_Animation.gif[/img] Simple and beautiful. [/quote] [quote=Machine Gun Ibiza]nice & spooky[/quote] [quote=CosmicCairns]I don't know the answer either, but this sounds like the kind of music ghosts would enjoy listening to. Very otherworldly.[/quote] [quote=Tone Matrix]Beautiful sound to this one. So peaceful and serene with those drawn out pads and your ethereal vocals. A good track to meditate too I believe. :)[/quote] [quote=Devieus]Good question, what even is a ghost?[/quote] "Poor dead flower? when did you forget you were a flower? when did you look at your skin and decide you were an impotent dirty old locomotive? the ghost of a locomotive? the specter and shade of a once powerful mad American locomotive? You were never no locomotive, Sunflower, you were a sunflower! And you Locomotive, you are a locomotive, forget me not! So I grabbed up the skeleton thick sunflower and stuck it at my side like a scepter, and deliver my sermon to my soul, and Jack’s soul too, and anyone who’ll listen, —We’re not our skin of grime, we’re not dread bleak dusty imageless locomotives, we’re golden sunflowers inside, blessed by our own seed & hairy naked accomplishment-bodies growing into mad black formal sunflowers in the sunset, spied on by our own eyes under the shadow of the mad locomotive riverbank sunset Frisco hilly tincan evening sitdown vision." -[url=https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49304/sunflower-sutra]sunflower sutra[/url] i have mixed feels about those beat poets but this poem reminded me this week that i am not a ghost - i am a sunflower... we're golden sunflowers [img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/424cb3b457d6b103dfb03a08ed602981/tenor.gif[/img]

Oh, love the organ sound paired with the vocals. Perfect for the theme. Could be a requiem or search for answers.

Oh, love the organ sound paired with the vocals. Perfect for the theme. Could be a requiem or search for answers.

Good questions. Two good questions! I love this "requiem or search for answers." yes!  This one envelops the soul, could go on longer. Enjoyed that sunflower poem. What are your mixed feelings about the beats?

Good questions. Two good questions! I love this "requiem or search for answers." yes! This one envelops the soul, could go on longer. Enjoyed that sunflower poem. What are your mixed feelings about the beats?

all of the above? 

[quote=NWSPR]Oh, love the organ sound paired with the vocals. Perfect for the theme. Could be a requiem or search for answers.[/quote] all of the above? ;)

Oh "the beats"... well since you asked I'm gonna get vulnerable with you & share something that your song last week brought up for me & tie into to my mixed feeling about "the beats".   On first listen of your song it was just a fun jam & reminded me of my time on stage as an Oompa Loompa (hence the dancing gif) - but something kept nagging at me.  The immediate gut punch I felt to hear little Vercua Salt called a "bitch" she was a brat - but so were all the other kids - that's why Charlie was special.  He was kind.

I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about the word "bitch" - but for some reason your song sent me down a spiral of feelings about it. I wanted to call you in as an ally and share that with you because you've been so thoughtful and supportive of me here in this little WB scene & it means a lot & for some reason I can't stop thinkin' about it and wanted to share that with you.   

It is challenging sometimes to be a female person in the world, in music scenes, in art scenes.  This article does a nice job explaining some of the feels I have about the Beats and how I experienced them - so often I asked myself where are the missing beats? 

As a young woman who was very gender non conforming growing up I got called a bitch a lot - weirdly before kids learned that word they thought it was an insult to call me the "future first female president" or (& I'm being serious) they called me "GOD" as an insult - they also threw "McFly" in there for good measure.  This was there way of saying I was not staying in my place as a "girl".

This happened when I would raise my hand in class too often or speak up when the boys were speaking over me  or when I would stand up for other kids when they were bullied.  I didn't suffer fools.  But I did suffer for it.  It made me a target...

Cut to years later.  The non conformist beats really resonated in so many ways but I also felt very marginalized by them = mixed feels   At the same time I was getting into the beats & local punk/hardcore/indie rock scene I  was also struggling as a young artist/writer/musician in scenes dominated by boys/men to find my voice and find a way to express myself.  WB was the first time I tried doing music on my own. It's been a big step for me personally & a strange journey to get here on the margins. 

Oh "the beats"... well since you asked I'm gonna get vulnerable with you & share something that your song last week brought up for me & tie into to my mixed feeling about "the beats". On first listen of your song it was just a fun jam & reminded me of my time on stage as an Oompa Loompa (hence the dancing gif) - but something kept nagging at me. The immediate gut punch I felt to hear little Vercua Salt called a [url=https://stylegirlfriend.com/july-2016-letter-editor-men-stop-calling-women-bitches/]"bitch"[/url] she was a brat - but so were all the other kids - that's why Charlie was special. He was kind. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about the word "bitch" - but for some reason your song sent me down a spiral of feelings about it. I wanted to call you in as an ally and share that with you because you've been so thoughtful and supportive of me here in this little WB scene & it means a lot & for some reason I can't stop thinkin' about it and wanted to share that with you. It is challenging sometimes to be a female person in the world, in music scenes, in art scenes. This article does a nice job explaining some of the feels I have about the Beats and how I experienced them - so often I asked myself [url=https://the-artifice.com/beat-generation-women/]where are the missing beats?[/url] As a young woman who was very gender non conforming growing up I got called a bitch a lot - weirdly before kids learned that word they thought it was an insult to call me the "future first female president" or (& I'm being serious) they called me "GOD" as an insult - they also threw "McFly" in there for good measure. This was there way of saying I was not staying in my place as a "girl". This happened when I would raise my hand in class too often or speak up when the boys were speaking over me or when I would stand up for other kids when they were bullied. I didn't suffer fools. But I did suffer for it. It made me a target... Cut to years later. The non conformist beats really resonated in so many ways but I also felt very marginalized by them = mixed feels :) At the same time I was getting into the beats & local punk/hardcore/indie rock scene I was also struggling as a young artist/writer/musician in scenes dominated by boys/men to find my voice and find a way to express myself. WB was the first time I tried doing music on my own. It's been a big step for me personally & a strange journey to get here on the margins. <3

thank you & silly me - i responded to your post above  
i guess it also helped verbalize a bit of what this piece was tapping into...

[quote=miraclemiles]Good questions. Two good questions! I love this "requiem or search for answers." yes! This one envelops the soul, could go on longer. Enjoyed that sunflower poem. What are your mixed feelings about the beats? [/quote] thank you & silly me - i responded to your post above :) i guess it also helped verbalize a bit of what this piece was tapping into...

Hi! Wow, I'm so glad I saw this. I really appreciate you sharing such deep and real thoughts here, it was super enlightening and amazing to read about your story and how the Wonka song brought up some feelings. I was really curious about your thoughts on "The Beats" because when you mentioned them above, I had hunch about what you meant. I probably have read something before on this (most likely the case), or maybe I just noticed, the "missing" beats too, going to read that article now. I listened to some Ginsberg a few weeks back, and have read some beats in the past. I also got into beats and punk scene at same time as a teen. I probably didn't notice how male centric a lot of the scene was, but fortunately there were some amazing women in the scene who educated my young dumb self and put me and others in check often.
Thanks for being here, being you, sharing such truths and honesty. It's refreshing. I default to just doing fun little jams or whatever, but hearing your music and words makes we want to dive deeper in this journey!

Hi! Wow, I'm so glad I saw this. I really appreciate you sharing such deep and real thoughts here, it was super enlightening and amazing to read about your story and how the Wonka song brought up some feelings. I was really curious about your thoughts on "The Beats" because when you mentioned them above, I had hunch about what you meant. I probably have read something before on this (most likely the case), or maybe I just noticed, the "missing" beats too, going to read that article now. I listened to some Ginsberg a few weeks back, and have read some beats in the past. I also got into beats and punk scene at same time as a teen. I probably didn't notice how male centric a lot of the scene was, but fortunately there were some amazing women in the scene who educated my young dumb self and put me and others in check often. Thanks for being here, being you, sharing such truths and honesty. It's refreshing. I default to just doing fun little jams or whatever, but hearing your music and words makes we want to dive deeper in this journey! <3

Thank you - that was really kind and means a whole lot to me!

I try to revisit The Beats from time to time.  I do think they were all processing a lot...
“I had nothing to offer anybody except my own confusion.” ― Jack Kerouac

Can you tell I leaned into the goth side of the punk scene?

As per "fun jams" = sometimes the goth kids just need some fun happy music to dance to! 
"fun jams" are a public service!

...and sometimes diving deeper/being vulnerable can bring gifts...

have you read any Brene' Brown? Her work has really challenged me. The first book of hers I tried to read I returned her book to the library unfinished & annoyed.  One night at a show in slightly shouted conversation her work came up and an amazing women in my scene put me in check and said "read it again - perhaps there is something there you need to look at." (she was correct) Anyway Brene's work has challenged me to get a bit braver to go deeper in art as in life - in life as in art... Thought perhaps you'd dig. 

[quote=miraclemiles]Hi! Wow, I'm so glad I saw this. I really appreciate you sharing such deep and real thoughts here, it was super enlightening and amazing to read about your story and how the Wonka song brought up some feelings. I was really curious about your thoughts on "The Beats" because when you mentioned them above, I had hunch about what you meant. I probably have read something before on this (most likely the case), or maybe I just noticed, the "missing" beats too, going to read that article now. I listened to some Ginsberg a few weeks back, and have read some beats in the past. I also got into beats and punk scene at same time as a teen. I probably didn't notice how male centric a lot of the scene was, but fortunately there were some amazing women in the scene who educated my young dumb self and put me and others in check often. Thanks for being here, being you, sharing such truths and honesty. It's refreshing. I default to just doing fun little jams or whatever, but hearing your music and words makes we want to dive deeper in this journey! <3[/quote] Thank you - that was really kind and means a whole lot to me! I try to revisit The Beats from time to time. I do think they were all processing a lot... “I had nothing to offer anybody except my own confusion.” ― Jack Kerouac Can you tell I leaned into the goth side of the punk scene? [img]http://kissesandchaos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_m3h6vr1Kjw1ql2bgho1_500.gif[/img] As per "fun jams" = sometimes the goth kids just need some fun happy music to dance to! "fun jams" are a public service! [img]https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2015/02/GIF-Beetlejuice.gif[/img] ...and sometimes diving deeper/being vulnerable can bring gifts... have you read any [url=https://brenebrown.com/]Brene' Brown?[/url] Her work has really challenged me. The first book of hers I tried to read I returned her book to the library unfinished & annoyed. One night at a show in slightly shouted conversation her work came up and an amazing women in my scene put me in check and said "read it again - perhaps there is something there you need to look at." (she was correct) Anyway Brene's work has challenged me to get a bit braver to go deeper in art as in life - in life as in art... Thought perhaps you'd dig.

Saturday night, sitting in my totally dark living room, enjoying the relaxing atmosphere. Great song

Saturday night, sitting in my totally dark living room, enjoying the relaxing atmosphere. Great song

awe - it's so neat to be a soundtrack in fred und luna's home!

[quote=Fred und Luna]Saturday night, sitting in my totally dark living room, enjoying the relaxing atmosphere. Great song [/quote] awe - it's so neat to be a soundtrack in fred und luna's home! <3

EMILYYYYYYYYYYY

OMGGGGGGG

thank you for the super real talk, UGH i wish we were hanging out eating pretzels and having the late-night homie chat.  so much you said was super relateable.  first thing i want to say is that i'm sorry you experienced those events.  you did not deserve that.  full stop.  you are an amazing human being and those people were flat-out wrong about you.  WEIRD flex to use first female president as an insult.  going to need a calculator to figure out that one.

Brene Brown is awesome!

u need to come to MKE for the next Ladies Rock Milwaukee!  (u can stay at my house)

also nice track

also do ghosts know they're ghosts?

EMILYYYYYYYYYYY OMGGGGGGG thank you for the super real talk, UGH i wish we were hanging out eating pretzels and having the late-night homie chat. so much you said was super relateable. first thing i want to say is that i'm sorry you experienced those events. you did not deserve that. full stop. you are an amazing human being and those people were flat-out wrong about you. WEIRD flex to use first female president as an insult. going to need a calculator to figure out that one. Brene Brown is awesome! u need to come to MKE for the next Ladies Rock Milwaukee! (u can stay at my house) :) also nice track also do ghosts know they're ghosts?

i was wondering if ghosts know they are ghosts too...?
thank you for nice words & i feel sad that you had relatable experiences
i would like to eat pretzels and hang/homie chat
i would love to ladies rock

it's a weird moment for us in the pandemic
we had some porch visits with our family after everyone got vaccinated last year when local case rates went down but we've pretty much been in self imposed lock down since the delta variant hit (josh is immune suppressed)

I struggle with what is likely ocd & social anxiety (among other challenges) so it is gonna take some time for me to adjust to being around other humans again if case rates stay down & we know Josh has some protection or at least some options for treatment (this test to treat program could really be helpful if implemented well).

Until I feel safer I'm gonna keep hiding from humans & animals too (deer, dogs, cats, minks, hamsters have all had covid & some have spread it back to humans).  I have a feeling we haven't reached the endemic phase of this pandemic yet but I'm prone towards pessimism/pragmatism/social avoidance

know in our hearts we are there in spirit with you at your shows & hope for future mini midwest tours/hangs

[quote=orangedrink]EMILYYYYYYYYYYY OMGGGGGGG thank you for the super real talk, UGH i wish we were hanging out eating pretzels and having the late-night homie chat. so much you said was super relateable. first thing i want to say is that i'm sorry you experienced those events. you did not deserve that. full stop. you are an amazing human being and those people were flat-out wrong about you. WEIRD flex to use first female president as an insult. going to need a calculator to figure out that one. Brene Brown is awesome! u need to come to MKE for the next Ladies Rock Milwaukee! (u can stay at my house) :) also nice track also do ghosts know they're ghosts?[/quote] i was wondering if ghosts know they are ghosts too...? thank you for nice words & i feel sad that you had relatable experiences i would like to eat pretzels and hang/homie chat i would love to ladies rock it's a [url=https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/17/covid_19_immunocompromised_pandemic_limbo_healthcare]weird moment[/url] for us in the pandemic we had some porch visits with our family after everyone got vaccinated last year when local case rates went down but we've pretty much been in self imposed lock down since the delta variant hit (josh is immune suppressed) I struggle with what is likely ocd & social anxiety (among other challenges) so it is gonna take some time for me to adjust to being around other humans again if case rates stay down & we know Josh has some protection or at least some options for treatment (this test to treat program could really be helpful if implemented well). Until I feel safer I'm gonna keep hiding from humans & animals too (deer, dogs, cats, minks, hamsters have all had covid & some have spread it back to humans). I have a feeling we haven't reached the endemic phase of this pandemic yet but I'm prone towards pessimism/pragmatism/social avoidance ;) know in our hearts we are there in spirit with you at your shows & hope for future mini midwest tours/hangs

That's good Kerouac quote. Sometimes I feel the same. What do we have offer? What should we offer? 
Love that gif, yes, the goth side! ok, makes sense now that you mention it. I love the idea of fun jams a public service, that's something to offer right there then, maybe I answered the question of what to offer? I love it when goth kids, or any punk kids (or any human) cuts loose and dances. It can be kind of a vulnerable act in itself, if doing it in public I guess.
Agree diving deeper and being vulnerable can really bring gifts, like a lot, I forget that, until sometime forces me to do so, then I'm like wow, that was valuable!
I've heard of Brene Brown, I was skeptical as well ... I'm going to give her a try now, thanks for the tip, and for this great discussion

[quote=emily] Thank you - that was really kind and means a whole lot to me! I try to revisit The Beats from time to time. I do think they were all processing a lot... “I had nothing to offer anybody except my own confusion.” ― Jack Kerouac Can you tell I leaned into the goth side of the punk scene? [img]http://kissesandchaos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_m3h6vr1Kjw1ql2bgho1_500.gif[/img] As per "fun jams" = sometimes the goth kids just need some fun happy music to dance to! "fun jams" are a public service! [img]https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2015/02/GIF-Beetlejuice.gif[/img] ...and sometimes diving deeper/being vulnerable can bring gifts... have you read any [url=https://brenebrown.com/]Brene' Brown?[/url] Her work has really challenged me. The first book of hers I tried to read I returned her book to the library unfinished & annoyed. One night at a show in slightly shouted conversation her work came up and an amazing women in my scene put me in check and said "read it again - perhaps there is something there you need to look at." (she was correct) Anyway Brene's work has challenged me to get a bit braver to go deeper in art as in life - in life as in art... Thought perhaps you'd dig. [/quote]:) :) That's good Kerouac quote. Sometimes I feel the same. What do we have offer? What should we offer? Love that gif, yes, the goth side! :) ok, makes sense now that you mention it. I love the idea of fun jams a public service, that's something to offer right there then, maybe I answered the question of what to offer? I love it when goth kids, or any punk kids (or any human) cuts loose and dances. It can be kind of a vulnerable act in itself, if doing it in public I guess. Agree diving deeper and being vulnerable can really bring gifts, like a lot, I forget that, until sometime forces me to do so, then I'm like wow, that was valuable! I've heard of Brene Brown, I was skeptical as well ... I'm going to give her a try now, thanks for the tip, and for this great discussion :)