Good job!

Good job!

Hi, Edmund. Really glad to hear your stuff another year!

Powerful lyrics and good hooks. If I may, I'd suggest to lower those hihats a little bit and put the snaredrum a little bit more on the side. Also, if you accept this producer's advice, when you use chorus or distortion in a voice, keep a copy of the original and place it together with the FX voice, either via send track or by using two copies of the track. That way you get all the presence of the original voice but with the character of the FX used. Voices are tricky to mix and anything that alters it catches the ear pretty quickly.

As always, my 2 cents. Cheers!

Hi, Edmund. Really glad to hear your stuff another year! Powerful lyrics and good hooks. If I may, I'd suggest to lower those hihats a little bit and put the snaredrum a little bit more on the side. Also, if you accept this producer's advice, when you use chorus or distortion in a voice, keep a copy of the original and place it together with the FX voice, either via send track or by using two copies of the track. That way you get all the presence of the original voice but with the character of the FX used. Voices are tricky to mix and anything that alters it catches the ear pretty quickly. As always, my 2 cents. Cheers!

dude nice garage-y sound. i think one of my favorite moments is the very beginning with the mmmmm's -- i'm always hesitant about humming but you're just doing it. the whole track is nicely in your face. i don't have great speakers right now so i can't comment on the mix too much but i like the raw, noisy feel.

dude nice garage-y sound. i think one of my favorite moments is the very beginning with the mmmmm's -- i'm always hesitant about humming but you're just doing it. the whole track is nicely in your face. i don't have great speakers right now so i can't comment on the mix too much but i like the raw, noisy feel.

Not my style, but I can feel the sincerity and commitment. I second laguna's recommendations.

Not my style, but I can feel the sincerity and commitment. I second laguna's recommendations.

Thank you.

Thanks, I always appreciate your advice.  I've attempted the recommended changes and uploaded to https://www.reverbnation.com/edmundsnyder/song/25074704-my-way-back-to-you

Appreciated.  I usually just do whatever's in my head (if I have the ability). I wasn't sure about the humming and thought about taking it out, but decided to keep it anyway.  I took some of Laguna's advice on my Reverbnation version and hope it didn't remove any of the "in your face" that you mention.

Thanks Jim.  I often feel like a fish out of water at WB most of the time since I don't understand half of the things everyone else does with fancy computers and whatnot. I have guitars and a keyboard as well as a violin and a mandolin and I'm not quite a pro on any of them--although the guitar and bass or probably my strengths.  The Studio One 3 DAW can do a bunch of stuff that I don't even really know what it does so I watch Youtube videos and experiment when I can--one of the things I love about WB is that it drives me out of my comfort zone.

I like most everyone else's creations anyway and it has helped expand my horizons a a bit listening to all the talent and taking advice from guys like you and Laguna on how to improve my recording and mixing.

[quote=orangedrink]Good job![/quote] Thank you. [quote=laguna]Hi, Edmund. Really glad to hear your stuff another year! Powerful lyrics and good hooks. If I may, I'd suggest to lower those hihats a little bit and put the snaredrum a little bit more on the side. Also, if you accept this producer's advice, when you use chorus or distortion in a voice, keep a copy of the original and place it together with the FX voice, either via send track or by using two copies of the track. That way you get all the presence of the original voice but with the character of the FX used. Voices are tricky to mix and anything that alters it catches the ear pretty quickly. As always, my 2 cents. Cheers![/quote] Thanks, I always appreciate your advice. I've attempted the recommended changes and uploaded to https://www.reverbnation.com/edmundsnyder/song/25074704-my-way-back-to-you [quote=colorful grey]dude nice garage-y sound. i think one of my favorite moments is the very beginning with the mmmmm's -- i'm always hesitant about humming but you're just doing it. the whole track is nicely in your face. i don't have great speakers right now so i can't comment on the mix too much but i like the raw, noisy feel. [/quote] Appreciated. I usually just do whatever's in my head (if I have the ability). I wasn't sure about the humming and thought about taking it out, but decided to keep it anyway. I took some of Laguna's advice on my Reverbnation version and hope it didn't remove any of the "in your face" that you mention. [quote=Jim Wood]Not my style, but I can feel the sincerity and commitment. I second laguna's recommendations.[/quote] Thanks Jim. I often feel like a fish out of water at WB most of the time since I don't understand half of the things everyone else does with fancy computers and whatnot. I have guitars and a keyboard as well as a violin and a mandolin and I'm not quite a pro on any of them--although the guitar and bass or probably my strengths. The Studio One 3 DAW can do a bunch of stuff that I don't even really know what it does so I watch Youtube videos and experiment when I can--one of the things I love about WB is that it drives me out of my comfort zone. I like most everyone else's creations anyway and it has helped expand my horizons a a bit listening to all the talent and taking advice from guys like you and Laguna on how to improve my recording and mixing.

I've just checked it. It has improved IMHO from the earlier version. Thing is that now that you gained clarity in the voice department, the drums feel a little bit muffled (they're not, in fact, they're a little overcompressed in the mid-highs).

My advice, Edmund, is that yor leave the track for a while because mixing YOUR OWN VOICE is really difficult, since it often feels weird to give it that strong presence. Try to apply the same technique in your next track and THEN go back to this one, so you could hear the difference. I've always struggled with many singers because they always mix it too low (I guess you need some outside ears).

I think the track has a lot of energy and I'd fear to loose all the urgency in it. Overall you've improved your skills a lot since the beginning of WB'14. My sugestions over your mixes, in general are:

- You need more low end (and don't forget not to believe us too much, since most of us here in WB do beat-oriented music, so our low frequencies standards could sound insane translated to pop). Now your mix is too crowded in the middle-freq area, so one instrument in competing with the other. Once you open your spectrum you'll need proper EQ.

- Generally you put the voice in the center, always, and the effects spread in the stereo field. Since you use chorus and there's not enough "clean voice" in the middle, it gives that "hollow" feel.

- If you pan something to the left or right (e.g. guitars) remember it will shine more in the mix, so keep it at a lower lever.

I could recommend you 2 tracks I've got it mind for this one, althought they're not exactly the same style: Lenny Kravitz's "Believe" and Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy man". They both featured heavily processed voice with a pop-rock feel, and the instruments are really well balanced. I'd recommend a really close listening. Try to picture the level of each instrument and its position in the stereo field. Start with no effect whatsoever until you've got the closest balance, and then add the rest. by the way, chorus effect is trickier that it seems, so start slowly.

As always, you've got the final word. Hope this tips could be useful to you.

Cheers, mate!

[quote=Edmund Snyder] Thanks, I always appreciate your advice. I've attempted the recommended changes and uploaded to https://www.reverbnation.com/edmundsnyder/song/25074704-my-way-back-to-you[/quote] I've just checked it. It has improved IMHO from the earlier version. Thing is that now that you gained clarity in the voice department, the drums feel a little bit muffled (they're not, in fact, they're a little overcompressed in the mid-highs). My advice, Edmund, is that yor leave the track for a while because mixing YOUR OWN VOICE is really difficult, since it often feels weird to give it that strong presence. Try to apply the same technique in your next track and THEN go back to this one, so you could hear the difference. I've always struggled with many singers because they always mix it too low (I guess you need some outside ears). I think the track has a lot of energy and I'd fear to loose all the urgency in it. Overall you've improved your skills a lot since the beginning of WB'14. My sugestions over your mixes, in general are: - You need more low end (and don't forget not to believe us too much, since most of us here in WB do beat-oriented music, so our low frequencies standards could sound insane translated to pop). Now your mix is too crowded in the middle-freq area, so one instrument in competing with the other. Once you open your spectrum you'll need proper EQ. - Generally you put the voice in the center, always, and the effects spread in the stereo field. Since you use chorus and there's not enough "clean voice" in the middle, it gives that "hollow" feel. - If you pan something to the left or right (e.g. guitars) remember it will shine more in the mix, so keep it at a lower lever. I could recommend you 2 tracks I've got it mind for this one, althought they're not exactly the same style: Lenny Kravitz's "Believe" and Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy man". They both featured heavily processed voice with a pop-rock feel, and the instruments are really well balanced. I'd recommend a really close listening. Try to picture the level of each instrument and its position in the stereo field. Start with no effect whatsoever until you've got the closest balance, and then add the rest. by the way, chorus effect is trickier that it seems, so start slowly. As always, you've got the final word. Hope this tips could be useful to you. Cheers, mate!

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What a tune! I can totally empathize with these lyrics.. very raw yet quite vivid.

What a tune! I can totally empathize with these lyrics.. very raw yet quite vivid.

yes indeed.  i see where you're going and like it

yes indeed. i see where you're going and like it

Love this, like grizzly bear with some great rough edges. Clearly i didn't check out enough of your stuff last time around...

Love this, like grizzly bear with some great rough edges. Clearly i didn't check out enough of your stuff last time around...

Thank you, gentlemen.

Some weeks, that was probably a lucky break for you.   Seriously, I have learned a lot from other people at WB (and still am learning a lot).

[quote=Lyons]What a tune! I can totally empathize with these lyrics.. very raw yet quite vivid.[/quote] [quote=paul raygun]yes indeed. i see where you're going and like it[/quote] Thank you, gentlemen. [quote=sinewave]Love this, like grizzly bear with some great rough edges. Clearly i didn't check out enough of your stuff last time around...[/quote] Some weeks, that was probably a lucky break for you. :p Seriously, I have learned a lot from other people at WB (and still am learning a lot).