Thanks SO much for explaining a very simple but pivotal secret about how you compose your work.  It makes sense that this would just be so much faster via tracking than any other way.  so my simplified understanding is that if you have something like kick, snare, hi-hat you could quickly program kshskshkhshhshhskkskshsksksh and then do gobs of variations.  I've always been confused as to where a tracker outperforms a MIDI roll or a hardware sequencer or physical sampler or whatever, but now this makes sense.  I come from a cassette tape, rock music background, so UP -> DOWN trackers really screw with my brain (and my failed attempts at LSDJ)

but your music really inspires me and I want to learn some of this stuff!!!

Thanks SO much for explaining a very simple but pivotal secret about how you compose your work. It makes sense that this would just be so much faster via tracking than any other way. so my simplified understanding is that if you have something like kick, snare, hi-hat you could quickly program kshskshkhshhshhskkskshsksksh and then do gobs of variations. I've always been confused as to where a tracker outperforms a MIDI roll or a hardware sequencer or physical sampler or whatever, but now this makes sense. I come from a cassette tape, rock music background, so UP -> DOWN trackers really screw with my brain (and my failed attempts at LSDJ) but your music really inspires me and I want to learn some of this stuff!!!

Hah, not much of a secret though thanks for the words. Dl Renoise and try out some of the demo songs that come with the installation, then watch the official Renoise YouTube channel and start with the tutorial videos, starting from the first video . You should get the basics first in understanding the gui, where you can find stuff, then tinker with other folks music, remix / rip and learn. That's how I started on the Amiga with protracker though there was no manual or youtube back then, just trial and error experimentation with other peoples .mod files.

What you say on the kick snare part is quite true often for my beat making. Once I have a groove going with these elements on different channels next to each other, it acts as pillars in between shit can happen . Eventually you can double the pattern lengths and expand the note-events within to achieve a higher resolution of shit to put in, so eventually you can reach diarrhea levels of gob . Good luck   

[quote=orangedrink]Thanks SO much for explaining a very simple but pivotal secret about how you compose your work. It makes sense that this would just be so much faster via tracking than any other way. so my simplified understanding is that if you have something like kick, snare, hi-hat you could quickly program kshskshkhshhshhskkskshsksksh and then do gobs of variations. I've always been confused as to where a tracker outperforms a MIDI roll or a hardware sequencer or physical sampler or whatever, but now this makes sense. I come from a cassette tape, rock music background, so UP -> DOWN trackers really screw with my brain (and my failed attempts at LSDJ) but your music really inspires me and I want to learn some of this stuff!!![/quote] Hah, not much of a secret though thanks for the words. Dl Renoise and try out some of the demo songs that come with the installation, then watch the official Renoise YouTube channel and start with the tutorial videos, starting from the first video :) . You should get the basics first in understanding the gui, where you can find stuff, then tinker with other folks music, remix / rip and learn. That's how I started on the Amiga with protracker though there was no manual or youtube back then, just trial and error experimentation with other peoples .mod files. What you say on the kick snare part is quite true often for my beat making. Once I have a groove going with these elements on different channels next to each other, it acts as pillars in between shit can happen :) . Eventually you can double the pattern lengths and expand the note-events within to achieve a higher resolution of shit to put in, so eventually you can reach diarrhea levels of gob ;) . Good luck