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By laguna on January 17, 2016 11:42 pm

First of all, thanks to Lyons who gently allowed me to sample his track Square One from last week, and is used in the intro smile

In my personal quest of the "synth hop" sound, I think I wondered too much from the original idea.

I used some double bass chops from Lyons' dope track , and a short sample from Maciej Wierzchowski AKA Vanderson (you could hear it aroung 4:28)

I didn't wanted to rip both guys off, so I did some chopping and detuning and hide the sample under several layers of reverb and ambience... and that's great for a drone, but I wanted to do something rhythmic!

Long story short, Saturday morning I had the basic beat along with some sketches. It's true I didn't had much time this week for professional reasons but... I'm afraid I wasn't able to make those two sample sources shine. The track mix is kinda muddy and dull, IMHO.

Tools of the trade: Akai s3000xl for that Youtube sampling, Ableton Live 9.5 with DubMachine's Diffuse and D16's Phoscyon.

Anyway, I have less than an hour to go, so it would be best if I upload this joint as is and don't abuse Mr. Phil's nerves with another sad "upload gone wrong" story.

Hope you like some ideas in here... I guess Weeklybeats is all about keep trying smile

Looking forward to hear all your wonderfull pieces, people!

Peace.

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January 18, 2016 12:11 am

I kinda like the mix on this, actually. The bass drum is a little hot, but otherwise it sounds good to me!

Really dig the outro too

January 18, 2016 1:57 am

extra props for using an akai s3000 "for youtube sampling" haha I  used to dream of those things!

hmmm i see what you mean with the mix but the bass line cuts through nicely, overall i don't think it's a problem -- you wanted some dub/mud, right? so it's more of a dark background for the sharp beats and the 303.

January 18, 2016 2:19 am

Sounds just about perfect to me, for whatever that's worth.

January 18, 2016 2:35 am

I'm really digging this mix. Great work!

January 18, 2016 4:43 am

No issue with the muddy mix, works for me, another nice track

January 18, 2016 6:11 am

great work on the 303... what mode did you use in phoscyon? Just got it myself and trying to see how others approach it. ah, also that video makes me realize I should really do something with my monomachine x_X Maybe this week!

January 18, 2016 7:47 am

Woah liking this one a lot.
Has a very solid, grounded, full sound, and good flow like being driven around in a car for lack of a better metaphor

January 18, 2016 11:21 am

This is real hot track! It's also the first time someone's sampled my work and it feels great to see how you've worked with it! Let me know if you ever want any cleaner/individual samples to play with.

January 18, 2016 4:42 pm

damn! i love it when the beat dropped just after the intro! lovely portamento on the bass synth too!

January 18, 2016 6:12 pm

Chill track! Good idea using youtube demo samples!

January 18, 2016 6:37 pm

Those beats are glorious smile

January 18, 2016 7:19 pm

Umph, that's tight.

January 18, 2016 10:26 pm

I think this sounds dandy to start, but RE: "Weekylybeats is all about trying", I'm reminded of this quote:

"The seed of your next art work lies embedded in the imperfections of your current piece. Such imperfections are your guides–-valuable, objective, non-judgmental guides to matters you need to reconsider or develop further.” ~David Bayle

January 18, 2016 11:08 pm

Chill. Got me head noddin along to it.

January 19, 2016 12:47 am

Niiiice! Damn dat shit was dope! big_smile tongue smile

January 19, 2016 12:47 pm

Cool track, love the intro!

Congrats, you did it again! big_smile

January 20, 2016 12:07 pm
CrazyBob wrote:

I kinda like the mix on this, actually. The bass drum is a little hot, but otherwise it sounds good to me!

Really dig the outro too

Damn, I really thought the track LACKED a powerful kick, really smile

Thanks for listening. I maybe do a remix with more variations to the acid pattern

January 20, 2016 12:11 pm
colorful grey wrote:

extra props for using an akai s3000 "for youtube sampling" haha I  used to dream of those things!

hmmm i see what you mean with the mix but the bass line cuts through nicely, overall i don't think it's a problem -- you wanted some dub/mud, right? so it's more of a dark background for the sharp beats and the 303.

Thanks Christian! Yes, after a couple of days, I think it sounds right, but the vibe isn't at all what I was after. Anyway, I guess that's what happens with time constrains (I could be resampling the whole thing over and over looking for "that vibe")

Are you planning on going briefly back to synths in the next weeks? Your "lute follower" experiment sounded quite "seventies' research sound lab" to me (in a good interesting way)

January 20, 2016 12:11 pm
Edmund Snyder wrote:

Sounds just about perfect to me, for whatever that's worth.

Thanks for listening and those kind words, Edmunt. And it's worth a lot to me coming from you smile

January 20, 2016 12:15 pm
mechlo wrote:

I'm really digging this mix. Great work!

Jason Nijjer wrote:

No issue with the muddy mix, works for me, another nice track

Thanks guys. As a mentioned in a previous comment, I think now it sounds OK... but it's not exactly the vibe I was seeking. I was in a more Dabrye/experimental hip hop/ambient state of mind and ended making this sort of acid track. Makes me happy... but I want to give it another go so I could achive the kind of dreamy atmospehere I had in my head.

Again, thanks for listening and the positive feedback

January 20, 2016 12:19 pm
Lyons wrote:

This is real hot track! It's also the first time someone's sampled my work and it feels great to see how you've worked with it! Let me know if you ever want any cleaner/individual samples to play with.

Lyons, I must thank you to let me mangle with your music. I'd love to remix this one to make more use of the intro (lack of time) and I really loved the chops as they sound, because it takes me back to my early sampling days (without the copyright hassle).

I converted your bass to mono and added a little bit of volume boost and eqing, to remove part of the ambience of the original track.

Feel free to send any jazzy bass sketches you've got hanging around. will be my pleasure to chop them.

Again, thanks to you. I felt privileged

January 20, 2016 12:22 pm
XC3N wrote:

great work on the 303... what mode did you use in phoscyon? Just got it myself and trying to see how others approach it. ah, also that video makes me realize I should really do something with my monomachine x_X Maybe this week!

Sorry for that late replay, and thanks for listening.

I always use Phoscyon with external sequencer, so I don't have to get my head around all those 1 bar patterns. It's velocity sensible to you could use accent simply with higher MIDI velocity AFAIK.

Also, I'm still unable to get good sound out of the internal distortion (sounds right on the demo, in a techno context) so I prefer to overdrive it a bit with external effect (I'm running Ableton).

Hope my 2 cents are of some use to you smile

January 20, 2016 12:25 pm
home taping association wrote:

damn! i love it when the beat dropped just after the intro! lovely portamento on the bass synth too!

donnyjankowski wrote:

Those beats are glorious smile

Nimble Cipher wrote:

Chill. Got me head noddin along to it.

Podling wrote:

Niiiice! Damn dat shit was dope! big_smile tongue smile

Really glad of hearing that, fellas! I never thought of this one as a headbanger smile

Guess I spent too much time and energy focusing on the pads wink

January 20, 2016 12:26 pm
scottux wrote:

I think this sounds dandy to start, but RE: "Weekylybeats is all about trying", I'm reminded of this quote:

"The seed of your next art work lies embedded in the imperfections of your current piece. Such imperfections are your guides–-valuable, objective, non-judgmental guides to matters you need to reconsider or develop further.” ~David Bayle

Thanks for listening, Scottux... You dropped some serious deep stuff there. Brought a smile to my face and keeps my inspired smile

January 20, 2016 12:26 pm
Naikymusic wrote:

Cool track, love the intro!

Congrats, you did it again! big_smile

"Again"? Thank you man! really flattered smile

January 20, 2016 12:29 pm
iLKke wrote:

Woah liking this one a lot.
Has a very solid, grounded, full sound, and good flow like being driven around in a car for lack of a better metaphor

Thank you iLKke!!! Glad you find it evocative. I was looking for some more dreamy feeling but things went a different direction.

Really intrigued what could happen with your sick SID-Funk (your week's dope!!!) onto my week's beats smile

I'm waiting for my SD2IEC, BTW...

January 20, 2016 12:31 pm
Ipaghost wrote:

Chill track! Good idea using youtube demo samples!

I know you're a sampling master already (still remembering your nephew on WB2014), but you surely must try it! It's great fun!!!

January 20, 2016 1:13 pm
laguna wrote:
Naikymusic wrote:

Cool track, love the intro!

Congrats, you did it again! big_smile

"Again"? Thank you man! really flattered smile

Algo así como "Uh loco, tu primer track estuvo bueno, lo hiciste otra vez muy bien!" jajaja smile

January 20, 2016 1:19 pm
Naikymusic wrote:
laguna wrote:
Naikymusic wrote:

Cool track, love the intro!

Congrats, you did it again! big_smile

"Again"? Thank you man! really flattered smile

Algo así como "Uh loco, tu primer track estuvo bueno, lo hiciste otra vez muy bien!" jajaja smile

jajaja exacto! A usted se le da muy bien el sonido fiestero, por cierto. Ese track suyo suena muy heavy wink

January 20, 2016 1:24 pm
laguna wrote:
Naikymusic wrote:
laguna wrote:
Naikymusic wrote:

Cool track, love the intro!

Congrats, you did it again! big_smile

"Again"? Thank you man! really flattered smile

Algo así como "Uh loco, tu primer track estuvo bueno, lo hiciste otra vez muy bien!" jajaja smile

jajaja exacto! A usted se le da muy bien el sonido fiestero, por cierto. Ese track suyo suena muy heavy wink

Gracias, aunque esta semana estuve corto de tiempo pero bueno, la idea es seguir constante en este reto de Wekkly Beats! big_smile

January 20, 2016 3:31 pm
laguna wrote:
XC3N wrote:

great work on the 303... what mode did you use in phoscyon? Just got it myself and trying to see how others approach it. ah, also that video makes me realize I should really do something with my monomachine x_X Maybe this week!

Sorry for that late replay, and thanks for listening.

I always use Phoscyon with external sequencer, so I don't have to get my head around all those 1 bar patterns. It's velocity sensible to you could use accent simply with higher MIDI velocity AFAIK.

Also, I'm still unable to get good sound out of the internal distortion (sounds right on the demo, in a techno context) so I prefer to overdrive it a bit with external effect (I'm running Ableton).

Hope my 2 cents are of some use to you smile

I hear you re: 1 bar sequences, although that carries over a lot of the original feel of the 303 ... I'm just not sure how slides and all that work outside of the int. seq. ... guess I'll play around with it some more smile

January 20, 2016 4:20 pm

Absolutely love this. Dribbly acid lines + downtempo beats + dub vibes = heaven!

January 20, 2016 4:47 pm
mattnida wrote:

Absolutely love this. Dribbly acid lines + downtempo beats + dub vibes = heaven!

 

Thank you Matt smile I'm struggling to make that squelchy acidic sound work under 88 bpm 

January 20, 2016 4:52 pm
XC3N wrote:

I hear you re: 1 bar sequences, although that carries over a lot of the original feel of the 303 ... I'm just not sure how slides and all that work outside of the int. seq. ... guess I'll play around with it some more smile

Agreed! I'm not against one bar loops, simply I've never been good at making cool ones smile

Always felt very techno inspired, but unable to make a cool plain techno song, so I try to bring the lessons back to my own downtempo territory.

About the slides: just make the first note long enoght so it is still playing while the following note comes in. That is basically a slide, be it on the DAW or the hardware sequencer. It's like playing any monosynth with portamento: the effect only works if you play one note while the previous one is still active.

January 20, 2016 5:54 pm
laguna wrote:
XC3N wrote:

I hear you re: 1 bar sequences, although that carries over a lot of the original feel of the 303 ... I'm just not sure how slides and all that work outside of the int. seq. ... guess I'll play around with it some more smile

Agreed! I'm not against one bar loops, simply I've never been good at making cool ones smile

Always felt very techno inspired, but unable to make a cool plain techno song, so I try to bring the lessons back to my own downtempo territory.

About the slides: just make the first note long enoght so it is still playing while the following note comes in. That is basically a slide, be it on the DAW or the hardware sequencer. It's like playing any monosynth with portamento: the effect only works if you play one note while the previous one is still active.

ah, yes that makes sense! I'm with you on the downtempo VS techno thing, I used to be the same... I think Drum and Bass was my entry point into uptempo music hehe, now I produce both

January 20, 2016 7:51 pm
laguna wrote:
colorful grey wrote:

extra props for using an akai s3000 "for youtube sampling" haha I  used to dream of those things!

hmmm i see what you mean with the mix but the bass line cuts through nicely, overall i don't think it's a problem -- you wanted some dub/mud, right? so it's more of a dark background for the sharp beats and the 303.

Thanks Christian! Yes, after a couple of days, I think it sounds right, but the vibe isn't at all what I was after. Anyway, I guess that's what happens with time constrains (I could be resampling the whole thing over and over looking for "that vibe")

Are you planning on going briefly back to synths in the next weeks? Your "lute follower" experiment sounded quite "seventies' research sound lab" to me (in a good interesting way)

Well you're leading the comments section I think! Anyway, I'm not sure about lute and technology. [Rant:] I'll try to stay as acoustic as possible. As you know, limitations are part and parcel of musical expression. I'm currently trying to get into renaissance musical thinking and the groove they had going on at that time. I'm still listening to contemporary music, but I took all of my electronic stuff from my desk. Only lute and tablature right now, and the MacBook for recording of course. I know that may be rather boring to listen to, but you know how it is... you gotta go where your heart tells you to'n such!

Thanks for your continued work here, and also for your comments here and in other people's threads. I really think what makes WB special is that people listen and actually give feedback. I appreciate it.

January 20, 2016 9:28 pm
colorful grey wrote:

Well you're leading the comments section I think! Anyway, I'm not sure about lute and technology. [Rant:] I'll try to stay as acoustic as possible. As you know, limitations are part and parcel of musical expression. I'm currently trying to get into renaissance musical thinking and the groove they had going on at that time. I'm still listening to contemporary music, but I took all of my electronic stuff from my desk. Only lute and tablature right now, and the MacBook for recording of course. I know that may be rather boring to listen to, but you know how it is... you gotta go where your heart tells you to'n such!

Thanks for your continued work here, and also for your comments here and in other people's threads. I really think what makes WB special is that people listen and actually give feedback. I appreciate it.

Well, from my point of view I must thank you (and the rest of the people ever listening or commenting) at least as much as you thank me. I'm glad to see comments here, of course, although I really agree on that: the most important side of WB is the connection between people. Maybe we all don't share the same tastes (and that's a great thing) but I feel the goal we share is the same. Struggling with our own limitations, push forward, create just for the joy of it. And that makes me admire even more your work, because for me it would be the scariest thing not being able to hide behind all those electronic tricks i've spent years trying to master. That's not boring at all and I mean it.

Again, thank YOU for commenting, listening and bring your art here every week once again smile

January 21, 2016 8:37 pm

This is great!  The melody is continually surprising, and the syncopated drums really work well.  Very nice balance between the parts.  Excellent piece!

January 22, 2016 8:20 am

The cymbal work is great, complex in a most simple way. While I think your song is great, I kind of wish the bass was a bit more driven or distorted.

January 22, 2016 12:03 pm
onezero wrote:

This is great!  The melody is continually surprising, and the syncopated drums really work well.  Very nice balance between the parts.  Excellent piece!

Thank you Maurice. Really glad you liked it. I struggled a lot with the mix on this one, as you could read smile

Oso Feo wrote:

The cymbal work is great, complex in a most simple way. While I think your song is great, I kind of wish the bass was a bit more driven or distorted.

Gracias, Oso Feo!

There are actually just two hihat samples in here, but the filter applied to them has a slow LFO oscillation, larger than a bar. I think it gives some slight feeling of variation.

About the bass, I'm not very into distorted bass myself (in an EDM kind of way... could use some dubby heavy low sinewave anytime) although I enjoy subbass a lot. It's not that I don't like them in other people's music, it's just that I don't know how to balance them in the mix, and as I said in the comments, initially this track was pad-based (the 303 was a late add-on). I'll try to experiment with that idea and get out of my confort zone in next weeks smile

Thanks for listening and that feedback 

January 22, 2016 4:02 pm

Reeeally loving this one. The drums are so tasty, and tasteful smile

January 22, 2016 6:59 pm

Wow, that beat is soo awesome! Great work!

January 24, 2016 5:31 am

The beat is kickin'.  Tight groove.  What did you use to program the beats or was that sampled too?

January 24, 2016 5:00 pm
rdomain wrote:

The beat is kickin'.  Tight groove.  What did you use to program the beats or was that sampled too?

Individual hits in the usual Ableton grid, nothing fancy. It's a really simple sample set of 8 samples: 4 drum hits in 2 variations. I usually sidechain the hihats to the kick/snare and apply a slight delay to it in order to achieve certain movement in the grove. Delay is first beat sincronized and then I give it some random "misalignment" of lest than 30 miliseconds

Simon Koehn wrote:

Reeeally loving this one. The drums are so tasty, and tasteful smile

Thanks you. Glad you found my beat so yummy smile

cfurrow wrote:

Wow, that beat is soo awesome! Great work!

Thanks, really appreciated. Was one of my early attemps of a "post-dubstep" bass beat

January 24, 2016 9:00 pm

Amazing work on the beat, deceptively simple, and highly effective!
The intro with the Lyons sample sets the vibe perfectly for the rest of the track.

January 25, 2016 8:36 pm
laguna wrote:
onezero wrote:

This is great!  The melody is continually surprising, and the syncopated drums really work well.  Very nice balance between the parts.  Excellent piece!

Thank you Maurice. Really glad you liked it. I struggled a lot with the mix on this one, as you could read smile

Oso Feo wrote:

The cymbal work is great, complex in a most simple way. While I think your song is great, I kind of wish the bass was a bit more driven or distorted.

Gracias, Oso Feo!

There are actually just two hihat samples in here, but the filter applied to them has a slow LFO oscillation, larger than a bar. I think it gives some slight feeling of variation.

About the bass, I'm not very into distorted bass myself (in an EDM kind of way... could use some dubby heavy low sinewave anytime) although I enjoy subbass a lot. It's not that I don't like them in other people's music, it's just that I don't know how to balance them in the mix, and as I said in the comments, initially this track was pad-based (the 303 was a late add-on). I'll try to experiment with that idea and get out of my confort zone in next weeks smile

Thanks for listening and that feedback

The lengthened loop definitely gave the song a sense of variation! About the bass, I don't think you have to get too crazy on the distortion. Have you heard of parallel distortion? you can add some distortion via sends to the 303, giving it an element of distortion, but not too much to where it sounds EDM'y (I don't particularly fancy the EDM sound myself).

January 26, 2016 12:21 am

bliss

January 26, 2016 1:07 am
Plantrain wrote:

Amazing work on the beat, deceptively simple, and highly effective!
The intro with the Lyons sample sets the vibe perfectly for the rest of the track.

Thanks Plaintrain... Although I think those jazzy Lyons bass chops could be better treated... Hope to make justice about it in the future !!!

January 26, 2016 1:11 am
Oso Feo wrote:

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The lengthened loop definitely gave the song a sense of variation! About the bass, I don't think you have to get too crazy on the distortion. Have you heard of parallel distortion? you can add some distortion via sends to the 303, giving it an element of distortion, but not too much to where it sounds EDM'y (I don't particularly fancy the EDM sound myself).

Thanks for the tip! I'll be using some digital bass in the future and give it a go with some overdrived overtones. I was really afraid you meant some MASSIVE bass drop (along with hands in the air). Like the dark low rumble in your tunes, so you know what you're talking about, definetely.

Habrá que intentarlo con ahínco. Me gusta usar mucho la compresión paralela, asi que estaría bien distorsionar solamente algunas bandas del espectro. Gracias!!!

January 26, 2016 1:12 am
acid wrote:

bliss

Thank you... Hope this sounds like genuine acid to ya smile

January 26, 2016 7:02 am

Awesome! Very original to my ears. Glitch dub i'd call it.

February 1, 2016 12:26 am

Very tight mix and really digging the beats with the 303 line. 

February 12, 2016 4:16 pm
Mercurymonkey wrote:

Awesome! Very original to my ears. Glitch dub i'd call it.

I like that name... "glitch dub", it's sticky. Thanks for listening, mate

Tone Matrix wrote:

Very tight mix and really digging the beats with the 303 line.

THanks, Tonematrix. Not as tight as your superb mixes wink Respect


February 23, 2016 5:11 am

instant chemical brothers vibe. then modern clean percussion. very nice mix. this week I'm doing 303/acid too (at least I think that's what it will be tongue ) so this is very nice to hear smile

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